A few years back, Rolling Thunder ran a couple of games that started on turn 25, with 25 turns of stockpiles, and was an open ended game. The games were quite fun, and the advanced start meant a huge difference in battle sizes at the start. Russ says if there is interest, he would happily run another, anybody out there want to play in one?

It's a possibility. I'm getting my feet wet in Victory again, as Great Britain 81. The last time I played, I was Bulgaria 57.

I would love to join an advanced start, no turn limit game.

You can Count me in

DezertCamel

I may not be welcome but you can count the Sponge in. If this gets off the ground it will be the first time i reach T25

I'm in.

Why not

You can count me in.

Sounds fun...

Played the last one
Note: dont take on a country in the middle of europe, too many frontiers
Russia kicks ass though, dont have too worry about all the setting up
No one can get to your production centres and you have huge armies to attack with

I would join..

I'm in.

Count me in.

me too

I'm in.

I can't miss this

I would play. It sounds fun.

I also think and interesting twist would be a game where TA's were declared at the start and were permanent.

For a long time, there was no way to break a TA. The problem came because many are not reliable, and would drop the game for no apparent reason, even though they had a decent position. It is for that reason that Russ put in the 5% chance to break. I would not be against a rule that you could not break with a TA that was still controlled by it's original owner.

Dear Mr. X,

You may feel lucky, yiu all may feel lucky: I wont't be signing up for this variant of Victory, because the beginning of each game is the most interesting part of it, at least the part I don't want to miss.

Greetings Rednas

Rednas,

In an advnaced start game there is also a biginning of the game: turn 25. The same as a normal game.
The only difference is that you can immediately start a war... So this part is a little more interesting...

Norbert

I guess we will all have to continue on without you.

Not that I would fell threatened by you anyway.

Too bad, this is the most interesting version of this game and you don't want to join.

Your loss, I guess.

DezertCamel

You are probably right. It would need to be OK to break a TA for a dropped position.

The only possible exception would be if teams joined and started the game together as TA's. In this version of the game, the idea would be that teams would have to keep all their members in the game to win. If one member got ganged by another group, his teammates would have to come to the rescue, not just sacrifice him. Liberating an occupied teammate might be the difference between winning and losing.

I think there was a topic suggesting 10 teams of 4 countries a while ago.
Ah, here it is: http://www.rollingthunderforums.com/index....=1138&st=15

Playing the US/Canada/Iceland in an advanced start game will mean that you won't enter the European warzone until T50, unless the US and Canada start fighting eachother which will delay their arrival at the European theater.

It would be interesting however to combine one of the coastal countries(Morocco/Portugal/France/Norway) with US or Canada, this would give the Naval powers an early start in the fight.

But an advanced game would be interesting! What about an advanced start & all tech game....?

Don

Dear Marlboro, oh no excuse me Camel,

In this case: yep and that about the threat we could change that: perticipating in VIC79 or VIC81 perhaps??

Greetings Rednas

The USA and Canada have some value in an advanced start game, as there are no real navy units early in the game that are ultimately useful for invading Europe, and the no time limit for an ending allows them to be a factor.

Threat, what threat....

It was you who said we should all be worried....(don't think so)
I was just pointing out the best version of the game that you will not be part of.

as for games you asked about. I was in 79, but I turned my position to my ta's friend. Had too much stuff going on and I did not like the contry I was playing. It had been a last minute position I pickedup as the game was starting. I was also in 3 other games at the same time. 74 which has ended, 75 which will end around march of the new year and game 80.

Plus mr. sander - ops rednas, have a good new year and maybe we will cross paths some other game.

DezertCamel

Thanks and the same to you. I hope we will meet again. Not in 81??

Greetings Rednas

Just had word my registration has been accepted so fill your boots boys the party has only just begun.

Tell your mates this looks like its going to be special, as far as i understand it they dont come around too often.

May i now take this opportunity to offer the hand of friendship to Canada and the USA, your allies i will need in this game. Just dont do something stupid like declare war on each other

where did you get that word? I would be surprised if this game starts for a few weeks.

I said registration accepted not game started, so get your nation choices in.

I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY IN A "10 TEAM - 4 NATIONS PER TEAM" GAME. I ALSO LIKE THE SUGGESTION OF TEAMING US/CANADA/ICELAND WITH ONE OF THE EUROPEAN COASTAL COUNTRIES.

I AM PRETTY SURE I COULD GET A 4 PERSON TEAM TOGETHER FOR THIS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES?

LORD VADER

I'm game, but I would suggest that Russ decide what 4 countries are in each group, so he could 'balance' them if at all possible. For Example, wouldn't put all 4 next to each other, such as Persia/Iraq/Saudi/UAE. I'd suggest that none of the TAs be adjacent, with the possible exception of the US/Canada. Then randomly assign the 4 country teams to the players. I would also suggest that the TAs not be allowed to be broken for this game only. If a player drops, find a replacement. If a country gets destroyed, tough.
My thoughts anyway. Cheers!

I would agree that russ decide. Plus I would split canada and usa into two different teams. this way they have to worry about someting not just building stuff.

The only thing we really need to decide now is this an advanced game or a team advanced game. Not everyone who is for the advanced game will play in a team game.

I will play in either one, providing I can be on someones team.

Maybe I could play with those I have been fighting so often. But that will be up to them.

DezertCamel

I was planning on getting into this game as a free agent. However, if need be, I suppose I could come up with a team, or maybe beg for an invite from somebody else

Pre made teams or free for all is all good for me. I have never been in an advanced start game and open ended game. I like the "open ended part", fight to the end. No replacement TA's makes it hard to fight on but it will be fun.

Why 10 teams of 4 and not 5 teams of 8 ?

We are really tring to make this compicatided are we not????????????????????????????????????????

Yes far too complex.

No one picks a country, no teams. Russ randomly picks a nation for you and you run with it. Apart from that the game plays as before until the end.

Simple, easy, just be afraid if the sponge is next to you

I will sign up. Did pretty well in the last one. All my TA's got eliminated, but I survived to the end.

Game 81 has a US/Canada/Portugal grouping. The fact that the three players are brothers has absolutely nothing to do with it.

This could be a very interesting game! But if a country is randomly given, I would like to have the alltech option included... I love those Russian tanks, but they're pretty useless playing Iceland/Ireland...

Random selection/All tech.

I'm in!

Don

Personally I think the sponge's idea of random selection sucks. Victory has always been about choosing your country, your tech, and your allies you want to play around. Why would you change the whole concept of the game because of advanced starting tech and stockpiles.

I think the only thing that needs to change is who is allowed in the game. There are way to many people that play victory that drop the game after one bad fight early in the game. For instance in game 78 s. russia lost an army early in the game after much heavy losses on both sides. He and his 5 team group all dropped out immediately afterward. These are not the type of people you want in a game with no scheduled ending.

Personally I think you should finish a game of victory to get to play in a special game.

For the record, I have no interest in a random game. After thinking about it, I really do not wish to play in a pre selected alliance game either. I started this thread for those who wish to play an open ended game, with an accelerated start. If you want to play a different game, please start a thread, and let people respond to that who wish to play in it.
I have to agree with Predator, the bane of all victory players are the cowardly punks who lose one fight and quit.

I have to disagree, I have only recently got into game 81 after a five year absence. I would love to play in an advance game. I do agree about choosing your own country and tech, my sugesstion would be -- if a position is dropped it is anounced to the Victory Community to allow someone to take the position quickly.

Well okay then however the game turns up it seems there will always be someone who is not happy. So be it, either way i will play it as it comes and someone will have the pleasure of dealing with the sponge armed with WMD's

As you all know i tend to stick to and keep my word and you all know its a rare event if i let you know who I play. I will tell you this

The sponge will announce what nation he plays at the game start.

Advance start, open ended, or a team game both sound interesting.

I agree that Russ should determine the country groupings, or approve somebody else's suggestions, as he knows the game better than anybody else. And yes, the TA groupings should be locked.

Anybody need a fourth?

Gecko,
of many games.

Individual or team, I'm in.

Hi Folks
I'd like to see an advance start game with all the production in place.
As if the computor had run the game for 25 turns.
Then we'd have 25 turns worth of Frontiers and AAA's and LDB's all over the joint.
There might not be much doe left but it's a thought.
Paul

I'm in for an open ended, advanced start game. Russ, are you taking registrations for this kind of game yet?

Kevin

And another one who just registered.

Send in your registrations I did its good to go.

Russ is going to do random pick just like in a reg. game. Dont try to work Russ more then he needs to be. If you want to set up TA's then get your fiends in the game.


Norbert,

Are you going to be playing in this one?