Appalled citizens all over the Empire mourn the loss of one of the oldest of the Galactic Explorer fleets that was pushing the outwards known boundaries of the Empire. An hitherto unknown alien race struck first without any warning or early border marker fleets and the Emperor has decided to quickly send an Armed Recovery Strike Force to search for survivors of this heinous deed. Though the Empire has been at peace of late, at least the Imperial Industrial Corporate Sector seems happy for this event...
(Wheee an enemy!!! Whopee!! I was growing soooo bored)

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Alien Fleet Sighting : Albright Warp Point # 12608 [warp move by empire # 2060]
[Stellar cartography reports that Warp Point # 12608 has not yet been surveyed by your scouts]
UND The Underdeep # 705 '5 Planets Arranged In A Pentagon'
[X-Ray] Go Away
1 BASE Sentry2 (Base Station - 1,844,740 tons)
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** NAVAL BATTLE REPORT **

----- ALBRIGHT [ N (Deep Red) 2 VI ] [Single Star] - Warp Point 12608 -----

The Genesian Gremloid Technocracy # 2060 (No Naval Commanders)
Total tonnage: 88,600.....Base Fire Control: 1 [0 bridge]

The Underdeep # 705 (No Naval Commanders)
Total tonnage: 1,844,740.....Base Fire Control: 104 [192,200,000 bridge]

Thus I Love, With Fear And Loathing The Genesian Gremloid Technocracy #2060 Ranger

------------------------------- ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** ------------------------------------------
The Underdeep # 705 [5 Planets Arranged In A Pentagon]
Go Away [ROE: X] *Englobe* (Fleet Tonnage: 1,844,740)
[Deploy Location 7] 1 BASE Sentry2 (Base Station - 1,844,740 tons [each])

------------------------------- ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** ------------------------------------------
The Genesian Gremloid Technocracy # 2060 [Black Phoenix Rising From Golden Egg On Red Trimmed With Purple]
Thus I Love, With Fear And Loathing [ROE: R] *Void Striker* (Fleet Tonnage: 88,600)
[Deploy Location 10] 1 EX ISS Shredded View (Explorer - 88,600 tons [each])
<1,000 Caldaran Crystals>--<892 Fuel>

** Battle Damage Assessment Report **
-------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 10 ------------------------------------------------------------
**DESTROYED** [1st] EX ISS Shredded View (Explorer - 88,600 tons) [Integrity: 0 / 55,580] [Shields: 0 / 6,250,000] (Green,
Timid) 1,000 Cargo Bay, 10 Fuel Shuttle, 11,300 Fuel Tankage, 18 Mk IV Antimatter Engine, 8 Mk IV Jump Survey Sensor
The Genesian Saturday, May 30, 2009 Gremloid Technocracy 2060 Page 9 of 2564
25 Mk IX Force Shield, 1 Mk VII Long Lance Torpedo, 1 Nuclear Transwarp Drive
Missile: 128,000
Maneuverability: 13.00, Missile Defense: 50.00 %
** Battle Damage Assessment Report **
-------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 7 ------------------------------------------------------------
BASE Sentry2 (Base Station - 1,844,740 tons) [Integrity: 2,103,434,220 / 2,103,434,220] [Shields: 924,989,088 /
925,000,000] (Seasoned)
32 3cm Chain Gun, 21 Burst Mine Rack, 700 FCS-1 Archer Fire Control, 2,200 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid
6 Mk I Medium Range Sensor, 58 Mk II Short Range Sensor, 1 Mk III Long Lance Torpedo, 12 Mk III Standard Missile
3,700 Mk IV Repulsor CIDS, 3,700 Mk IX Force Shield, 31 Proton Lock, 4,400 Reflective Armor Coating
2 Siege Tachyon Blaster, 700,000 Tckon 68, 5 Type D Disintegrator
Energy Disruptor: 8,800,000, Matter Disruptor: 8,800,000, Mines: 11,088, Missile: 25,600, Particle Beam: 8,448,000
Projectile: 2,816
Molecular Pattern Stabilization: 1.70 %, Missile Defense: 89.00 %, Reflective Coating: 1.20 %
Sensors: 1.80 %
----- Post-Battle Damage Assessment Report-----
Side 1
[10] 1 ISS Shredded View class EX..................................................1 Destroyed
Side 2
[7] 1 Sentry2 class BASE
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/Locklyn

The "Go Away" base station appears to be what we call a kitchen-sink design. Mostly built of leftover parts from EXPL orders.

So exactly when have your explorers found 5 leftover Type D Disentigrators laying around? Oh sure, they tossed some random junk into the mix like 1 MK III Long Lance Torpedo. But 99.9% of the station was built to hit anyone coming near with a 26 Million point love tap.

Plus the Seasoned nature of the station makes you wonder what they've been doing to build up the crew. Probably target practice with drones and dummies that look suspiciously like Locklyn's ships.

Yes, this is an unprovoked act of War. Any sensible Empire knows to mark the inner 15 systems of their Empire with sensor marker fleets at every warp point and gas giant as to ensure that alien races know that they are encroaching on another Empires territory and are aware that they may be blasted into smithereens shortly.

Oh well, our ARSF Fleet will take care of the Underdeep survivors as well...



/Locklyn

Or you went through a one way WP to his inner sphere and missed all those warning beacons.

Well, based on the design of the ship, the system the battle took place in couldn't have been a nexus. There are no engines or fuel tankage or jump drives on the base. There must be at least one orbit that they could put down a slip, shipyards, and power. Once the base was built it would have to be towed into place at the warp point.

The warp point must have some importance attached to it to merit that kind of effort to guard it. It is more then adequate to take out small defenseless explore ships. Not sure if Lars came there through a one-way or not.

Lars could take the high road here and open diplomatic channels instead of opening fire. Not every empire out there has empire border markers. Yes, losing an explore ship sucks. I've had it happen to me for various reasons. It's not the end of the world, especially with the production juggernaut the Gremloids have at their disposal. They have around 6 or more captured HWs?

If Lars chooses to open fire instead of opening talks then I will be forced to put him on the W.H.A.P.O roster as a member in good standing.

Sakarissa
The Circle

Seconded!

The Emperor today announced the loss of the Imperial Fuelling Ship Sweet Saviour as it was viciously attacked by an Underdeep Battleship in the Erine system, a known GGT system a far from the Albright system where the earlier incident happened. Fortunately its sister ship was of the newer models and quite capable of handling the Underdeep attacker but a stray shot from the enemy crippled the Sweet Saviour and she was lost with all hands. Despite the recent bouts of diplomatic attempts to quell a growing conflict this atrocious attack on fuelling ships made the Emperor appear at the Octagon and to the assembled general staff declare that a state of war now exists between the Underdeep and the Genesian Gremloid Technocracy.



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** NAVAL BATTLE REPORT **

----- ERINE [ M (Red) 5 V ] [Single Star] - Warp Point 33432 -----

The Genesian Gremloid Technocracy # 2060 (No Naval Commanders)
Total tonnage: 2,964,800.....Base Fire Control: 1 [0 bridge]
The Underdeep # 705 (No Naval Commanders)
Total tonnage: 3,482,980.....Base Fire Control: 12 [44,320,000 bridge]

test The Underdeep #705 Master Scientist Bifrons

------------------------------- ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** ------------------------------------------
The Underdeep # 705 [5 Planets Arranged In A Pentagon]

test [ROE: X] *Total Defense* (Fleet Tonnage: 3,482,980)
[Deploy Location 1] 1 BB Azazel (Battleship - 3,482,980 tons [each])
<436,072 Fuel>--<400 Light Drone>

------------------------------- ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** ------------------------------------------
The Genesian Gremloid Technocracy # 2060 [Black Phoenix Rising From Golden Egg On Red Trimmed With Purple]

Empty Sacs [ROE: Q] *Void Striker* (Fleet Tonnage: 2,964,800)
[Deploy Location 10] 1 FTA IFS Companions Delight (Fleet Tanker - 1,290,000 tons [each])
[Deploy Location 10] 1 FTA IFS Sweet Saviour (Fleet Tanker - 1,674,800 tons [each])
<5 Colony Beacon>--<2,500,000 Fuel>

** Battle Damage Assessment Report **

----- Deployed Ordnance (Fighter/Drone Survivors) -----
The Underdeep # 705 [ 400 / 400 Light Drone] Standard Attack Mk I Nuclear Pulse Engine

-------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 10 ------------------------------------------------------------
FTA IFS Companions Delight (Fleet Tanker - 1,290,000 tons) [Integrity: 210,000 / 210,000] [Shields: 49,507,626 /
62,500,000] (Green, Timid)
100 Fuel Shuttle, 1,000,000 Fuel Tankage, 250 Mk IX Force Shield, 1,000 Mk V Gravitic Thruster
100 Mk VII Standoff Missile, 1 Nuclear Transwarp Drive
Missile: 20,480,000
Maneuverability: 272.87, Missile Defense: 50.00 %

**DESTROYED** [1st] FTA IFS Sweet Saviour (Fleet Tanker - 1,674,800 tons) [Integrity: 0 / 134,920] (Green, Timid)
5,000 Cargo Bay, 200 Fuel Shuttle, 1,500,000 Fuel Tankage, 248 Mk II Gravitic Thruster, 1 Nuclear Transwarp Drive
Maneuverability: 37.91, Missile Defense: 50.00 %

** Battle Damage Assessment Report **

-------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 1 ------------------------------------------------------------
**DESTROYED** [2nd] BB Azazel (Battleship - 3,482,980 tons) [Integrity: 0 / 13,008,980] [Shields: 0 / 450,000] (Green,
Timid)
41 20cm Autocannon, 129 Blaster CIDS, 4,000 Cargo Bay, 4 Drone Rack, 2,216 FCS-1 Archer Fire Control
50 Fuel Shuttle, 450,000 Fuel Tankage, 1,500 Mk I Force Shield, 200 Mk I Long Range Sensor
41 Mk II Flux Capacitor, 73 Mk II Tachyon Screen, 78 Mk III Nuclear Jump Drive, 2 Mk IV Jump Survey Sensor
7,030 Mk V Nuclear Engine, 1 Nuclear Transwarp Drive, 500,000 Selenite Battle Weave, 54 Survey Lander
4 Type A Defense Screen, 2 Type A Science Lab, 50 Type B Plasma Torpedo, 11 Type C ECM Package
Plasma Torpedo: 26,400,001, Projectile: 18,040
ECM: 6.00 %, Flux Capacitance: 1.20 %, Maneuverability: 8.07, Missile Defense: 50.20 %, Screens: 0.60 %
Sensors: 5.50 %, Tachyon Grid: 2.10 %

----- Post-Battle Damage Assessment Report-----

Side 1
[10] 1 IFS Companions Delig class FTA
[10] 1 IFS Sweet Saviour class FTA..................................................1 Destroyed

Side 2
[1] 1 Azazel class BB..................................................1 Destroyed

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I thought you had border ships stationed at all locations 15 out from your HW? You said Underdeep was at fault for NOT having done this and letting you get all the way to the Underdeep HW. SO obviously this is a dirty sneak attack by you on the poor innocent Underdeep ship that had been sitting in the system since 2008.

Fleet Tanker my rear appendage. 1 Million tankage and almost 1/2 that amount in weapons and a large amount of shields?!. That was a guided missle ship disguised as a fleet tanker. Oh that was clever. How many times did he have to sail it back and forth in front of the battleship real slow, giving the old "I'm just an innocent tanker carrying fuel" routine, until the old girl finally moved? Imagine the battleships commander when the the covers blew off all the missles silos and SURPRISE his ship was blasted from a distance. Oh the horror of it all....

Look who had ROE set to X ...

Hmmm....the program said it was a tanker . Besides , a tanker is a valuable piece of equipment , so it is only logical that it be armed in some manner.....protect against pirates . No self respecting tanker captain wants to be taken prisoner and held hostage for some kind of ransom .

[quote name='Locklyn' date='May 31 2009, 03:30 PM' post='42797']
Appalled citizens all over the Empire mourn the loss of one of the oldest of the Galactic Explorer fleets that was pushing the outwards known boundaries of the Empire. An hitherto unknown alien race struck first without any warning or early border marker fleets and the Emperor has decided to quickly send an Armed Recovery Strike Force to search for survivors of this heinous deed. Though the Empire has been at peace of late, at least the Imperial Industrial Corporate Sector seems happy for this event...
(Wheee an enemy!!! Whopee!! I was growing soooo bored)

Yes, this is an unprovoked act of War. Any sensible Empire knows to mark the inner 15 systems of their Empire with sensor marker fleets at every warp point and gas giant as to ensure that alien races know that they are encroaching on another Empires territory and are aware that they may be blasted into smithereens shortly.

Oh well, our ARSF Fleet will take care of the Underdeep survivors as well...



The POINT is this is the reason he SAID the war was started, and NOW, a ship is on his side of a boarder? HOW? Is he not guilty of his own complaint? No warning marker fleets!

Typical, White Hat, ANY made up reason for a fight, when they want to act like a pirate.

Attacking out of boredom, nice guy. Hope the rest of the non allies in his area, or maybe allies he does not agree with are taking notice.

All the PA kept the Bob border with Lars agreement even though we knew where a HW was of his and the Bob border was only between Lars and Bob, this was back before Hellenic league, before Lars had his massive production, and even as his ships were busy with Hellenic league we stayed away. So we see this as what it is an attack without justification, PIRACY.

About the only thing you didn't accuse Lock of was secretly transporting weapons hidden within the fuel tanks and supplying them to religious terrorists on your colony worlds. If you're going to have righteous indignation on your side, you might as well pull out all the stops.

Gary, I thought you had left the boards because we did not take you seriously. Welcome back.

So what you are saying is Bob (ROE of X) is a Pirate because he attacked Lars (ROE of Q) without justification after crossing a border well known to all parties involved. I guess it is typical of the PA to attack without justification but I don't understand why you are calling a Bob a White Hat.

And what does it mean to say the ASRF fleet will take care of the Underdeep survivors? That sounds kind of chilling. I am glad I am not an Underdeep survivor.

Thank you for the help.

WHAT HE SAID

I have left the boards, but an ally is dropping his position in part cause he thought Lars was a friend and does not want to fight him, while LARS is here on the board trashing him as the attacker!

MORE DETAILS!!!! MORE DETAILS!!!! THIS IS GOOD!!!!

According to the ROE settings your ally would have been the instigator of hostilities in the encounter.

The ROE settings don't lie.....kinda hard to claim righteous indignation when you are the first one to fire a shot .

Lars and his builders empire knows what I am talking about.

Some friend.

ROE at you guys HW is set at come on in and take a look? Any way NOT talking to you just Lars other than if you trust him, to me he appears to be another MMB.

Let us know details it sounds interesting. Why the secrecy?

View from ME, or a tragic love story

In the beginning God created Bob and Lars. Bob joined the PA and Lars joined the Star League(I think that was the name) The Star League found a cheat early on, they found they could ANZ any item whose name they could spell. This gave them the path to many items that everyone not using the CHEAT, did not have any knowledge. The Cheat was eliminated by the GM, but that did not remove the knowledge from the Star League or help the others catch up to the Star League knowledge.

At this point the Devil was found to be a Star League member hiding in the form of MMB, what exactly made him the devil was not explained, but LARs took the lead in proclaiming MMB as the root of all evil.

At this point in the PA one member was not voted as alliance leader and took his toys and went home. Bob was a friend of this player and decided to also drop. Bob at this time transferred the Builders Empire, that was in contact with LARs to LARS, so he now had two Connected Empires to work together and give him a good start in the game. The other PA empires had not found Bob yet, and did not want to run his empires. I convinced Bob to stay with his Starfinder empire, as we had played many PBEM games together and won our share.

In the PA you can play your empire any way you want, we do not require you to attack or defend another PA member. Bob just wanted to empire build and that was fine with us.

In the PA if you start a war you are on your own, unless someone wants to help you, if you are attacked, Most will want to help you.

At this point Bob and LARs had a border, we had copies of the Builders turns, so we knew the HW, within a year, Starfinder, and the builders had been found. Remember this was EARLY in the game, no gates, no worms, most still only had their original HW.

The PA decided to pick up dropped PA positions and use them to test game theories. Unknown to us the player that left the PA had given the TG copies of the turns of several empires. These empires were absorbed into the TG, since they had been dropped for a year, they were easy to take out.

At this point among others MMB and Phasedragon joined the PA. MMB then left the PA for reasons unknown after a short stay he was probably only trying to get all the data he could, and Phasedragon left the game, NOW I HAD TO LEARN SPREADSHEETS! Yes the Spread sheets are thanks to a PA member.

So we move the time up, LARs and Bob are connected, in the area are Phoenix, Underdeep, Luminera, BOB, Lars, Scanners, Scorpio, Fabrenee, another empires whose name I forget, Vlad, the shrike, crystalguy and IDE.

IDE begins a campaign to take out Phoenix, and Vlad is attacking Scorpio and Fabreenee, and the unnamed empire. Phoenix, Luminera and underdeep work together against Shrike, IDE, and Crystalguy. Take the Shrike and IDE HW's

MEGacraptor, Bene G, and the rest of TG come to IDE's aid, and take back the IDE hw.

The rest of the PA finds Phoenix, and the MUReans come to phoenix's aid to save Phoenix HW.

Probes and battles for 2 years

Lars tells Bob that his alliance is considering helping the TG. Lars tells Bob there is nothing he can do about it he is going to join the battle against the PA. Lars tells Bob he will not attack Bob's Starfinder. Lars finds the Underdeep, and claims the HW attacked him. Bob tells Lars he is running Underdeep but it is a dropped empire, and NOT moving war fleets. Lars again claims Underdeep is attacking him. Bob leaves game as he does not want to fight Lars. Lars is happy and continues to act like the vote of his alliance was Provoked somehow, when the VOTE was in before Lars found the Underdeep.


What happened to the original Empires in the area?

PA Empires
Luminera, pa Dropped
Underdeep Bob
Starfinder, Bob
Builders, PA given to LARS
Phoenix, TG conquered

NON TG AND NON PA EMPIRES
Scorpio, TG Conquered
Fabreenee, TG Conquered
Scanners, unknown, not attacked by PA
name forgotten Empire, TG Conquered

Lars, helped by PA, now at war with PA(the Devil made him do it)

TG Empires
Shrike, TG, PA conquered
IDE, TG got HW back

All rest out there somewhere

Gary, that just hurts my feelings - defecating on my empire name like that.

That was an interesting tale though. I don't know how accurate all of it is, but I certainly know some of your assumptions are incorrect.

I have a question. You've lumped me in with "the rest of TG" - What does that stand for and who are they? I've not heard of that group before.

OH SORRY did I spell the empire name wrong?
I find it hard to believe you do not know who your allies are, your ships went into the Phoenix HW with Bene g and IDE. I think that would mean you are an ally of them, as there was no three way battle. TG is the tennesee group. Looks like I need to keep you better informed.

No problem with the name, I understand that you are working with a greatly diminished capacity right now..... I know that name must seem appropriate to you; after all, I've dumped quite a few loads on you haven't I?

Many thanks for letting me know I'm a member of a group I'd not heard of - you've made me feel quite special....... a member of the TG ! Sounds quite impressive, but it sure is a bit lonely being the only member of your fabrication.

Did the voices tell you about this 'Tennessee Group'?

And I thought it would be something cool , like maybe " The Goths ".......

It was the Galactic Star League in the beginning. We had a lovely logo and minister positions and a very long and detailed charter.

I was just looking through my emails from back in 2003. The cheat mentioned allowed anyone to ANZ any name they had (which people were finding left and right through explores .. the old explorer code would give to a random boost to ANY item in the game you might every try to research, giving everyone lots of possible future tech names). But if you were unable to research the item, you did not get the requirements to the item -- just resource needs like 25,000 advanced steel. I was helping maintain the list of items researched / analyzed by GSL folks. And that's the information that was sent to me for posting in our shared excel listing.

So when Pete corrected the error, he felt no need to broadcast this as there was not a lot of benefit to knowing just the resources. I mean that's one reason tech trading was still useful in the game. I was able to early on trade the secrets to Mk I Antimatter Engines and Fusion Transwarp drives (found on a Neutral) to folks like MMB for information on Type A Plasma Torpedos or other such stuff as folks did not know the paths to the tech.

The big tech advantage GSL had came from trading of research / analyze information. Back in the start days I was receiving almost 40 emails per day from all the various GSL members trading what techs opened up what new techs, time to research and assigned RC's, item names discovered in explores, and more. With some folks using SRP to jump some levels along key tech paths, we had a pretty damn good grasp on what 4th and 5th generation techs existed in the game very, very quickly.

You could be telling what actually happened, that is not what I was told, I was told that full ANZ's were received. Actually, this shows once again the GM should actually communicate. Then I wonder how many dropped thinking they were too far behind? An explanation of the problem now fixed would of saved lots of anger outside the GSL.

Why would one drop, because one is *thinking* one is lagging behind?

I could understand dropping if you get attacked by overwhelming odds and superior tech, but because of *thinking*?
How odd.
If I would do drop for such a reason, my core empire would have been dropped long ago.

But it is alive and kicking till this day.

In the beginning there was a small bug. If you typed in a tech name exactly you could get an ANZ for it. This must have been within the first dozen turns or so. At that time we had only a very sketchy knowledge of the tech tree and didn't have much exploration data. As such there were very few techs known past the next Mk ?? in the tree.

This bug lasted for about 3 turns before it was corrected. There were a few techs gotten from it but I don't recall hearing any bragging about nifty stuff. I recall seeing that a Mk III was uncovered a few turns prior to it being available for research and ANZ anyway. This was not a game breaker by any means and all that same information is now passed about freely to new players.

Not a real big deal.

Also in the beginning colony beacons only required a single cargo space. I still have a few early freighters with 20 colony beacons in 1000 cargo holds. Not a real big deal and not a game breaker.

I don't know what the purpose was to bring up these historical events, but I did want to clarify them a bit.

The reason I brought them up was I was asked for more details.

Getting the ANZ for 3rd gen industry, would of been REALLY valuable back then I remember how long it took me to find it. And that would of been easy to spell.

As to dropping cause you think you are behind, there would of course have to be other pressures. However, one pressire might be anger at GM for the error, causing you to be behind from the start.

IF as everyone is saying there were only a few ANZ's gotten this way then a better solution would of been for the GM to post the ANZ's received on everyones turn. One of the PA suggested this this and was ignored.

My main point in this is the SO CALLED goody two shoes, white hat, we are the world, we are the people, who claim others are cheating and using bugs in the game system to their advantage, Were the FIRST to use a BUG to their advantage. And how do you find out that an ANZ can be done on anything you spell Correctly. You have to be searching for a bug to do it RIGHT at the start. Evil Evil Evil. Bad Show there. Rotten to the core. That is not cricket. ECT

You really did not know to get to 3rd Gen Ind Science? It is directly related to 2nd Gen.

And wasn't that tech on your PA tech tree gif already, that I got really early on in the game?

Or are you talking about AIC? That one could not be ANZed.

Oh, right I am thinking of ADV ind. Never mind on that point the rest is still valid.

Well, I don't know who has the time to look for bugs. They crop up as they do and people either notice them or they don't. Sometimes you have to go back over numerous turns to validate a bug is there and not a player error. Once you find it you let Pete know and he either fixes it or he doesn't. Most bug's can't be exploited and are just annoying, but there have been a few that could be exploited. Some folks will report these and some won't, just depends on who you are.

Well I would make a huge difference between the ANZ bug and the Gate bug.
It is obviously a bug, that you should not be able to TR something *WITHOUT* a gate.
It is not so obvious, that you should not be able to ANZ stuff you found on EXPL tech finds.

Point is it is an exploited bug, like you are complaining about, but it is not PA so.....

So, per the section that I bolded in your most recent post (see above), you freely admit that the PA utilized the Gate bug... Thanks for that confession Gary, was it really that hard to admit?

Tell us now, was the bug used to evacuate the population of Semjan? Come on little camper, you can say it... go ahead, it's good for the soul.

LOL READ the message where I already posted how the pop was removed from Semjan.

I knew every bug that concerned UG's, Did not you? You seem to ACT like you know a lot? Did you use them? My Empire never used any of them, as My empire Has NOT completed research on UG's yet. I hearby grant Pete permission to confirm that MACrohard does not have Universal gates. Geee and you wanted me to of cheated SOOOOO bad! SORRY!

Better add this NO empire of mine in the current war with TG has UG's

IF however I had UG's I would of used them and every trick I could, as due to GM lack of communication you can never tell if it is a BUG or A feature of the game. You know, Like any empire can use a any ones wormholes, the new feature added by the GM when he was unable to make them only work for allies.

Ok, just so those of us at home can follow along, PA is Phoenix Arisen alliance? right?
What does TG stand for?

Anybody care to share who is attached to which alliance? Just in case I run into one or more of them. (maybe I have and just don't know it)

Thanks in advance.

LOL, read MY message. I accused PA of using the gate bug, not you Gary.

As you've admitted to having known "every bug that concerned UG's", no doubt that all of PA knew of the gate bugs as well. Having admitted your attitude by the statement "IF however I had UG's I would of used them and every trick I could" is it really a stretch to believe the PA would have used the bug? I think not.

So, despite your message about how Semjan was pillaged, I think it now becomes obvious what really happened there.

Oh, and it sounds as if you are still miffed that we were able to take down TWO PA HW's (formerly owned by Black Cloud) using the PA's own wormholes. We would never have known of that game feature if you hadn't made it known, so I guess ultimately it's you we should thank for all that nice new population working in our mines and industries. Of course, we used properly powered and constructed UGates to 'reassign' the pops... just ask White Shadow who has retaken control of Evremond. He can attest to currently owning a couple hundred pop, 80 antimatter power plants and enough Adv Conmats to construct one UGate. It's comforting knowing that we stay within the game rules unlike some others <cough cough PA>.

LOL wow you are the great and almighty C NUT.(who is behind that curtain)

Actually I am referring to the loss of the PA wormweb that delivered goods to Semjan, TG warped thru the worms and captured some of them and we never got fleet sightings or at that time knew any one could warp thru one, it was after emails to the GM that the note about worms was posted on the top of the turn, as the GM could not get the worms to work the tight way. We still managed to defend the HW, but our worm web strategy was mostly ruined by the change. At that time we decided to try UG's.

It appears every empire someone wants to fight is called PA, and then attacked, we really do not have THAT many Members. Oh wait PA or MMB, with PA ranked as even more evil. MMB must feel so sad. Sorry I left you out for a second there MMB.

One alliance actually voted to attack the PA because MMB was once part of the PA, and that alliance had MMB as a member before he joined us. SO I believe they should go.......themselves first.

Sha'thar, inscrutable, licks the blood from a recent hunt off her forepaw.

It is a bit ostentatious but I like it. From now on you and ALL PA members will refer to me as "The Great and Almighty C NUT".

When you say "we decided to try UG's" do you mean powered or un-powered versions? Or did you even bother to construct them at all once you made the breakthru? Has the PA ever used a legitimately built and fully powered Ugate (before being forced to do so via the new rules emplaced)?

As far as every empire under attack being called PA, do you deny that The Black Cloud, White Shadow Imperium, Galvorn Protectorate (the one with the Stable Wormhole we used), The Eyre and The Go'ald are part of PA??? Those are the empires we are in combat with, strictly PA members and no one else.

Finally, if it is true when you say "we really do not have THAT many Members", then how come the vote to stay or go is taking so long? Finish it up and leave already.

Think about it, I know it is hard, but if the planet can not build power planets for an UG, is it likely to have ANY value to put an UG on it? Mainly HWs have UGs on them and all the HW's have power plants DUH. With ICE, we are not wasting time transferring in 100,000 iron from a baby colony. I believe even TG can attest that Semjan had power before it was dismantled.


And yes your statement above listing empires you are fighting that are PA is INCORRECT.

The TG is however actually in contact and fighting PA empires.

Finally, if this is how you think, the PA cheated on gates, but no one else in the game did, you are a double fool.

Now Gary, what did I just get done saying? Address me properly young man.

As far as the list of empires not being PA, I highly doubt it is incorrect. In one email from White Shadow, he indicated that Blend and I had taken over an alliance mate's HW (referring to Phase Dragon's old HW which was a dropped position that we did take). As Phase Dragon was a PA member, that indicated that White Shadow is PA. Also in an email from White Shadow, he indicated that he was working with his other alliance mates (obviously Black Cloud and Galvorn Protectorate). SO, all three are definitely PA. Regarding Eyre and Go'ald, we know they were MMB positions and as he was part of the PA then I suspect they were handed to an alliance mate once MMB supposedly left the game. Knowing that, how can you say that my statements are incorrect?

As far as this TG that you recently spouted off about, I think YOU have TG on the brain. What the heck is a Tennessee Group? Is Elvis part of this group?

Finally, did I ever state that no one else used the gate bug??? Where do you come up with this stuff at??? Are the voices still talking to you??? I can not speak for anyone but myself so how would I know who did what? But from the attitude you display and the attitude of your group, it's obvious that the PA has used the bug and would continue to do so.

Why ask if you are not going to believe the answer?

Believe what you want, and blame the PA for everything. I made my points earlier on and now this is a waste.

My understanding is when people started getting names in explores, they did analyzes as they thought that was how it worked. You just found information on NWTX-4000 Planetcrackers in the desk drawer of some abanadoned power plant .. lets do an analyze. If I remember correctly, people started contacting Pete saying the analyze was incomplete or broken as they weren't getting all the information (early days, LOTS of errors, plenty in descriptions .. improved construction material was supposed to require improved steel and improved timber but Pete set it up wrong and by the time he fixed it, well, to many people had it to change). When Pete finally replied, he explained the intent was you needed to HAVE the item, not just the name, so he fixed it. And there was even some arguement from a few folks with Pete that stopping the analysis on names was wrong (if you just found out about weapon X, shouldn't your scientists provide something, anything???). Eventually Pete cut back on random finds and limited the tech finds to only what is in your research queue instead of any dang thing in the tree.

So this wasn't folks trying to cheat in the game. They were using analyze the way they thought it was meant to be used, and even argued that makes more sense game wise. Pete disagreed as he wanted to limit knowledge of items up the tree (which was like trying to stuff the cat back into the bag when already full of holes, but...).

LOL, this non cheat was sure kept quiet not a mention of it on the board til it was removed. Get real it was a cheat, if you read the rules, you know that was not how it worked. I wonder how many orders were used on some turns for this unimportant bug.

Further, If arguing for it means it was not a cheat, then the gates are not a cheat as many argued against the changes. I certainly do not like the high attrition gates have now, or the fact I will have to waste more research on gates to see if it gets down to reasonable. Checking for power, and there being a gate there LOL Stupid RTG progamming not to have that to start with.

The rest of you up in arms about player abuse of a broken item, should consider blaming RTG for yet another fiasco, rather than the players. How many years into the game are we, and what is still not working, Cloaking, flag bridges, gates, worms, spies, ringworlds, ECT. IF however it is the players fault all the players are not PA.