ali-t-akua Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Now, however, as we're looking at it - what does have me vexed is the whole idea of a SHIP in one turn order - but it's not just SN that has done this! The fact that a 1 billion ton ship can be built in the same time as a 1,000 ton ship! jawdrop.gif That's just plain silly. For my part - I'd rather each Shipyard Slip had a tonnage limit - something like 1,000,000 tons per turn - so a 9m DN would take 9 turns to build........ I think of the Shipyard capacity workers and equipment as the men (and wonmen) and equipment to put together the ship and the slips as the final assembly point. An analogy to this is an aircraft manufacturer like Boeing and Airbus. everything is built by subcontractors in modules and then the modules are assembled at the final assembly point. I will have to check but I don't think it takes much more time to build a 747 than a 737. It is a matter of logistics planning. Therefore while the fact that a 1 Billion T ship takes as long as a 1k T ship is a simplification, it does not disturb me much. Besides the capacity to build a 1 Billion T ship in a turn requires a heck of a lot of CM. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you taking Shipyards or Shipyard Slips? Shipyards have a tonnage capacity. Shipyard Slips also have a capacity, 1 Ship. You can assemble a billion ton ship if you have the right number of Shipyards. I agree with Ali-t-akua on this issue. Slips are more like final assembly areas, which can 'flex' based on the size of the ship you are building. FWIW, -SK <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was referring to Shipyards. Also, I am getting nervous as I think this is twice that we have agreed on something. Typical ships of the line in SNROTE are a few million tons. Some battles published on the boards exhibited ships on the order of ten million tons. There is no theoretical limit to ship size. But keep in mind that a typical home world, if it really put its mind to it, could produce somthing upwards of of 750,000 tons of ship equipment per turn. That is, of course, if it dedicated almost all of its production capacity to ship production, rather than CM, or troops, or anything else. And that would be TOTAL ship production, including explorers, freighters, colony ships, transports, tankers, pickets, etc. As a practical matter, a homeworld on a war time footing could expect to produce better than a half a million tons of war ships per turn. So those 10M ton warships mentioned earlier represent up to a 20 turn production effort. I think your assumptions are valid for a starting position but for an empire that is three to four years old and has put some of its research into Industrial techs, they could reduce that to around ten turns by increasing production capacity by 50% and developing a few colonies. Production capacity could be increased by getting 3G Ind Tech and converting a third of the ICs to IICs. (Thats converting between 250 and 400 ICs to IICs each turn which requires 125k to 200k ICMs.) A more aggressive empire could make that heppen sooner. So I can see 10 T ships being a more regular occurrence in the coming months as we are nearing four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TErnest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 I think your assumptions are valid for a starting position but for an empire that is three to four years old and has put some of its research into Industrial techs, they could reduce that to around ten turns by increasing production capacity by 50% and developing a few colonies. Production capacity could be increased by getting 3G Ind Tech and converting a third of the ICs to IICs. (Thats converting between 250 and 400 ICs to IICs each turn which requires 125k to 200k ICMs.) A more aggressive empire could make that heppen sooner. So I can see 10 T ships being a more regular occurrence in the coming months as we are nearing four years. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All true, and very good points, indeed! Also, those empires that capture an additional home world or ten can significantly boost their warship production. I was just trying to give Magus a ballpark estimate of what kinds of warships one might typically see, over the entire spectrum of possitions out there. "Typically" being the operative word. Your mileage may, as they say, vary. TErnest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WKE235 Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 I think your assumptions are valid for a starting position but for an empire that is three to four years old and has put some of its research into Industrial techs, they could reduce that to around ten turns by increasing production capacity by 50% and developing a few colonies. Production capacity could be increased by getting 3G Ind Tech and converting a third of the ICs to IICs. (Thats converting between 250 and 400 ICs to IICs each turn which requires 125k to 200k ICMs.) A more aggressive empire could make that heppen sooner. So I can see 10 T ships being a more regular occurrence in the coming months as we are nearing four years. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All true, and very good points, indeed! Also, those empires that capture an additional home world or ten can significantly boost their warship production. I was just trying to give Magus a ballpark estimate of what kinds of warships one might typically see, over the entire spectrum of possitions out there. "Typically" being the operative word. Your mileage may, as they say, vary. TErnest <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Even one HW more can significantly increase the size of what you build. IN THEORY, you could set-up a convoy route between HW 1 and HW 2 (assuming the space is secure and patrolled). HW 1 builds say, Transwarp Drives, Engines, and Fuel Tanks. HW 2 build Weapons, Fire Control items, Defenses, and odds and ends to flush out the design (like more fuel tanks, maybe). HW 1 builds a ship consisting of a TWD, a large pile of Fuel Tanks, and a whole heap of advanced engines to give a high AP (say, oh, 14+). Just load up the fuel, add it to the convoy route, and *zap* next turn it's sitting at HW 2. Then you scrap the ship, and reuse all the parts the next turn (along with the wonderful weapons, defenses, and the like) to build a really nice, big, ship, very quickly and cleanly combining the output of two HW's into one monster. Once you get the route going, along with 3rd or 4th Gen Industrial Science, along with colonial transports feeding materials into the maws from colonies in each system .. why the size of ships can literally explode. In Theory.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octus Imperium Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 I think your assumptions are valid for a starting position but for an empire that is three to four years old and has put some of its research into Industrial techs, they could reduce that to around ten turns by increasing production capacity by 50% and developing a few colonies. Production capacity could be increased by getting 3G Ind Tech and converting a third of the ICs to IICs. (Thats converting between 250 and 400 ICs to IICs each turn which requires 125k to 200k ICMs.) A more aggressive empire could make that heppen sooner. So I can see 10 T ships being a more regular occurrence in the coming months as we are nearing four years. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All true, and very good points, indeed! Also, those empires that capture an additional home world or ten can significantly boost their warship production. I was just trying to give Magus a ballpark estimate of what kinds of warships one might typically see, over the entire spectrum of possitions out there. "Typically" being the operative word. Your mileage may, as they say, vary. TErnest <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Even one HW more can significantly increase the size of what you build. IN THEORY, you could set-up a convoy route between HW 1 and HW 2 (assuming the space is secure and patrolled). HW 1 builds say, Transwarp Drives, Engines, and Fuel Tanks. HW 2 build Weapons, Fire Control items, Defenses, and odds and ends to flush out the design (like more fuel tanks, maybe). HW 1 builds a ship consisting of a TWD, a large pile of Fuel Tanks, and a whole heap of advanced engines to give a high AP (say, oh, 14+). Just load up the fuel, add it to the convoy route, and *zap* next turn it's sitting at HW 2. Then you scrap the ship, and reuse all the parts the next turn (along with the wonderful weapons, defenses, and the like) to build a really nice, big, ship, very quickly and cleanly combining the output of two HW's into one monster. Once you get the route going, along with 3rd or 4th Gen Industrial Science, along with colonial transports feeding materials into the maws from colonies in each system .. why the size of ships can literally explode. In Theory.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can we ask how the theory works in practice? <wink, wink> <nudge, nudge> In theory, of course. Octus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WKE235 Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Can we ask how the theory works in practice? <wink, wink> <nudge, nudge> In theory, of course. Octus <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In Theory, if you cruch the numbers right, do good planning, and set it up all right (including leaving room for Improved HM and CM), it works well. Oh sure, some critics warn mistakes might hurt. They will drone on and on about this is too risky, you may miscalculate the engines needed on a warship by neglecting to take into account fuel tanks ... or argue that if you could screw up a *^%$ fuel transport from a gas giant by mistyping a few minor fleet numbers when upgrading a tanker, resulting in a convoy that leaves without enough fuel and gets stuck in the middle of nowhere. And they warn if you make one mistake, boy does it take time and orders to correct for it. Blah, blah, blah. As for me, I would (in theory) simply toss the critics out the airlock, and adjust all the paperwork so nothing shows up in the audits. So of course, everything would look (in theory) as it worked perfectly. Of course you would need the extra HW to test out your theory. But that would mean you'd have to battle someone and destroy the fleets over their HW, so you could land and take it. Anyone with one of these mythical second HW's would probably have boasted about it. For example, you would probably see something like this posted as the enemy home forces were destroyed. Alien Fleet Sighting : XXXXXXXXXX [in-system move by empire # 3833] NSI Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 'Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy' 201st Colonization Fleet [Quebec] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 203rd Colonization Fleet [Quebec] 4 COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) 1 MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons) 209th Colonization Fleet [Quebec] 3 COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) 1 MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons) 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 210th Colonization Fleet [Quebec] 3 COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) 2 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 1 MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons) 213th Colonization Fleet [Quebec] 2 MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons) 6 COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) 221st Assay Office Analysis [Quebec] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 222nd Assay Office Analysis [Quebec] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 7 FS Graverobber (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) 223rd Assay Office Analysis [Quebec] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 224th Assay Office Analysis [Quebec] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 225th Assay Office Analysis [Quebec] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 226th Assay Office Analysis [Quebec] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 227th Assay Office Analysis [Quebec] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 229th Assay Office Analysis [Quebec] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 230th Assay Office Analysis [Quebec] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) 231st Assay Office Analysis [Quebec] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) 233rd Assay Office Analysis [Quebec] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) Black Gold Transport [Quebec] 4 LTA Pipeline (Light Tanker - 100,000 tons) Horizon Outpost Agency [Quebec] 1 FS Seeker (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) Vanguard Inspection Unit [Quebec] 1 AUXL Ridge Runner (Light Auxiliary - 20,000 tons) ================================================================================ ========================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ** NAVAL BATTLE REPORT ** XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Concordium #3833 Total tonnage: 500,100 Base Fire Control: 1 [101,000 bridge] Napatha Solarum Imperium #3535 Total tonnage: 11,771,500 Base Fire Control: 1 [12,000 bridge] ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] Vanguard Inspection Unit [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 20,000) --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 AUXL Ridge Runner (Light Auxiliary - 20,000 tons [each])-------------------------- Fire Control: Poor .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 1,100 Standard Hull Plate ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] Horizon Outpost Agency [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 10,000) --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Seeker (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 500 Standard Hull Plate ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 201st Colonization Fleet [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 30,100) Cargo Bays: ... 30,000 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 203rd Colonization Fleet [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 2,550,000) Cargo Bays: ... 549,000 Col Berthings: ... 200 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 4 COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons [each])--------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 209th Colonization Fleet [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 2,070,100) Cargo Bays: ... 569,200 Col Berthings: ... 150 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 3 COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons [each])--------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 210th Colonization Fleet [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 2,100,200) Cargo Bays: ... 599,200 Col Berthings: ... 150 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 2 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 3 COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons [each])--------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 213th Colonization Fleet [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 4,080,000) Cargo Bays: ... 1,078,400 Col Berthings: ... 300 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 6 COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons [each])--------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 2 MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 221st Assay Office Analysis [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 40,100) Cargo Bays: ... 34,000 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Fair .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 100 Standard Hull Plate ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 222nd Assay Office Analysis [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 110,100) Cargo Bays: ... 62,000 ... Legendary Explorer Mira In Puris Naturalibus ... Captain Draba --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Fair .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 100 Standard Hull Plate --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 7 FS Graverobber (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])--------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fair 700 Standard Hull Plate --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 223rd Assay Office Analysis [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 40,100) Cargo Bays: ... 34,000 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Fair .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 100 Standard Hull Plate ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 224th Assay Office Analysis [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 40,100) Cargo Bays: ... 34,000 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Fair .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 100 Standard Hull Plate ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 225th Assay Office Analysis [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 40,100) Cargo Bays: ... 34,000 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Fair .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 100 Standard Hull Plate ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 226th Assay Office Analysis [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 40,100) Cargo Bays: ... 34,000 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Fair .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 100 Standard Hull Plate ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 227th Assay Office Analysis [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 40,100) Cargo Bays: ... 34,000 ... 612 4cm Gatling CIDS ... 8,513 Advanced Black Market Goods ... 1,100 Fuel ... 5 Medium Pulse Laser 32 Primitive Artwork ... 3,891 Processed Radioactives --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Fair .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 100 Standard Hull Plate ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 229th Assay Office Analysis [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 40,100) Cargo Bays: ... 34,000 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Fair .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 100 Standard Hull Plate ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 230th Assay Office Analysis [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 40,100) Cargo Bays: ... 34,000 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Fair .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 100 Standard Hull Plate --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 231st Assay Office Analysis [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 40,100) Cargo Bays: ... 34,000 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Fair .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 100 Standard Hull Plate --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] 233rd Assay Office Analysis [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 40,100) Cargo Bays: ... 34,000 ... --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Fair .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Average 100 Standard Hull Plate --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons [each])---------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 [Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy] Black Gold Transport [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 400,000) --------------------[Deploy Location 7] 4 LTA Pipeline (Light Tanker - 100,000 tons [each])--------------------------------- Fire Control: Minimal .. Maneuverability: Lumbering .. Sensors: Blind .. Shields: None .. Structural Integrity: Fragile ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Concordium # 3833 [A Three-Dimensional Representation Of A Tesseract With The Symbol For Infinity Glowing In The Central Cube] 850th Test [ROE: Q] *Total Defense* (Fleet Tonnage: 1,000) --------------------[Deploy Location 9] 1 CO Prober (Corvette - 1,000 tons [each])------------------------------------------ Fire Control: Phenomenal .. Maneuverability: Moderate .. Sensors: Average .. Shields: Feeble .. Structural Integrity: Sturdy 1 Mk I Force Shield .... 1 Mk II Tachyon Screen .... 1 Phased Energy Grip .... 100 Titanium Composite Armor ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** Concordium # 3833 [A Three-Dimensional Representation Of A Tesseract With The Symbol For Infinity Glowing In The Central Cube] 912th Dagger [ROE: R] *Orbital Defense* (Fleet Tonnage: 499,100) --------------------[Deploy Location 1] 1 CA Dahak III (Heavy Cruiser - 499,100 tons [each])-------------------------------- Fire Control: Average .. Maneuverability: Moderate .. Sensors: Oblivious .. Shields: Feeble .. Structural Integrity: Sturdy 40,000 Energy Dispersion Armor Coating .... 400 Laser CIDS .... 400 Light P-Cannon .... 600 Mk I Force Shield .... 50,000 Titanium Composite Armor ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** -------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 1 ------------------------------------------------------------ CA Dahak III (Heavy Cruiser - 499,100 tons) [integrity: 789,100] [shields: 180,000] (Green) 40,000 Energy Dispersion Armor Coating, 35 Fuel Shuttle, 50,000 Fuel Tankage, 400 Laser CIDS 400 Light P-Cannon, 100 Mk I Computer System, 600 Mk I Force Shield, 500 Mk I Fusion Engine 20 Mk I Medium Range Sensor, 1 Mk I Nuclear Jump Drive, 20 Mk I Space Mine Scanner, 2 Mk III Jump Survey Sensor 50,000 Titanium Composite Armor Plasma: 440,000 Maneuverability: 1.001, Meson Web: 0.801, Phase Inversion: 0.801, Point Defense: 0.040, Reflective Coating: 0.801 Sensors: 0.040, Tachyon Grid: 0.801, Thermal Regulation: 0.801 CO Prober (Corvette - 1,000 tons) [integrity: 1,500] [shields: 300] (Green, Timid) 200 Fuel Tankage, 1 Mk I Computer System, 1 Mk I Force Shield, 1 Mk I Nuclear Jump Drive, 1 Mk II Short Range Sensor 1 Mk II Tachyon Screen, 1 Mk III Nuclear Engine, 1 Phased Energy Grip, 100 Titanium Composite Armor Maneuverability: 1.000, Phase Inversion: 1.000, Sensors: 0.500, Tachyon Grid: 1.000 ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** -------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 7 ------------------------------------------------------------ **DESTROYED** [1st] FS Graverobber (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,000] (Green, Timid) 4,000 Cargo Bay, 1,200 Fuel Tankage, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 1 Mk I Nuclear Jump Drive, 1 Mk I Short Range Sensor 100 Standard Hull Plate, 4 Survey Lander, 2 Type A Science Lab Maneuverability: 0.030, Sensors: 0.025 **DESTROYED** [2nd] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) 30,000 Cargo Bay, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine Maneuverability: 0.009 **DESTROYED** [3rd] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [4th] FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,100] (Green, Timid) 4,000 Cargo Bay, 1,100 Fuel Tankage, 1 Mk I Computer System, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 1 Mk I Nuclear Jump Drive 1 Mk I Short Range Sensor, 100 Standard Hull Plate, 4 Survey Lander, 2 Type A Science Lab Maneuverability: 0.030, Sensors: 0.025 **DESTROYED** [5th] FS Seeker (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 8,500] (Green, Timid) 3 Fuel Shuttle, 2,500 Fuel Tankage, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 1 Mk I Nuclear Jump Drive, 1 Mk II Jump Survey Sensor 500 Standard Hull Plate Maneuverability: 0.030 **DESTROYED** [6th] FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [7th] FS Graverobber (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,000] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [8th] FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [9th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) 9,800 Cargo Bay, 50 Colonial Berthing, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 1 Mk I Nuclear Jump Drive **DESTROYED** [10th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [11st] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [12nd] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [13rd] FS Graverobber (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,000] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [14th] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [15th] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [16th] FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [17th] FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [18th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [19th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [20th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [21st] FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [22nd] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [23rd] LTA Pipeline (Light Tanker - 100,000 tons) [integrity: 200] (Green, Timid) 99,800 Fuel Tankage, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 1 Mk I Nuclear Jump Drive Maneuverability: 0.003 **DESTROYED** [24th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [25th] FS Graverobber (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,000] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [26th] FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [27th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [28th] FS Graverobber (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,000] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [29th] MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 200] (Green, Timid) 509,800 Cargo Bay, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 1 Mk I Nuclear Jump Drive **DESTROYED** [30th] LTA Pipeline (Light Tanker - 100,000 tons) [integrity: 200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [31st] LTA Pipeline (Light Tanker - 100,000 tons) [integrity: 200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [32nd] FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [33rd] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [34th] MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [35th] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [36th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [37th] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [38th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [39th] FS Graverobber (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,000] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [40th] AUXL Ridge Runner (Light Auxiliary - 20,000 tons) [integrity: 20,400] (Green, Timid) 3 Fuel Shuttle, 1,800 Fuel Tankage, 1 Mk I Computer System, 3 Mk I Jump Survey Sensor, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine 1 Mk I Nuclear Jump Drive, 1,100 Standard Hull Plate Maneuverability: 0.015 **DESTROYED** [41st] LTA Pipeline (Light Tanker - 100,000 tons) [integrity: 200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [42nd] MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [43rd] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [44th] MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [45th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [46th] FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [47th] MF Boxcar (Medium Freighter - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [48th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [49th] FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [50th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [51st] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [52nd] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [53rd] FS Claim Jumper (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [54th] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [55th] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [56th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [57th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [58th] FS Graverobber (Fleet Scout - 10,000 tons) [integrity: 5,000] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [59th] LF Hopper (Light Freighter - 30,100 tons) [integrity: 100] (Green, Timid) **DESTROYED** [60th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) Of course, this is all theory. 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Octus Imperium Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Can we ask how the theory works in practice? <wink, wink> <nudge, nudge> In theory, of course. Octus <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In Theory, if you cruch the numbers right, do good planning, and set it up all right (including leaving room for Improved HM and CM), it works well. Oh sure, some critics warn mistakes might hurt. They will drone on and on about this is too risky, you may miscalculate the engines needed on a warship by neglecting to take into account fuel tanks ... or argue that if you could screw up a *^%$ fuel transport from a gas giant by mistyping a few minor fleet numbers when upgrading a tanker, resulting in a convoy that leaves without enough fuel and gets stuck in the middle of nowhere. And they warn if you make one mistake, boy does it take time and orders to correct for it. Blah, blah, blah. As for me, I would (in theory) simply toss the critics out the airlock, and adjust all the paperwork so nothing shows up in the audits. So of course, everything would look (in theory) as it worked perfectly. Of course you would need the extra HW to test out your theory. But that would mean you'd have to battle someone and destroy the fleets over their HW, so you could land and take it. Anyone with one of these mythical second HW's would probably have boasted about it. For example, you would probably see something like this posted as the enemy home forces were destroyed. Alien Fleet Sighting : XXXXXXXXXX [in-system move by empire # 3833] NSI Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 'Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy' . . . **DESTROYED** [60th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) Of course, this is all theory. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Very nice theory. Thanks for sharing all your theoretical problems with skeptics. But don't all those airlock exits pose a navigation problem? Perhaps they could be gunnery practice targets? In theory, of course. Octus Imperium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali-t-akua Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Can we ask how the theory works in practice? <wink, wink> <nudge, nudge> In theory, of course. Octus <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In Theory, if you cruch the numbers right, do good planning, and set it up all right (including leaving room for Improved HM and CM), it works well. Oh sure, some critics warn mistakes might hurt. They will drone on and on about this is too risky, you may miscalculate the engines needed on a warship by neglecting to take into account fuel tanks ... or argue that if you could screw up a *^%$ fuel transport from a gas giant by mistyping a few minor fleet numbers when upgrading a tanker, resulting in a convoy that leaves without enough fuel and gets stuck in the middle of nowhere. And they warn if you make one mistake, boy does it take time and orders to correct for it. Blah, blah, blah. As for me, I would (in theory) simply toss the critics out the airlock, and adjust all the paperwork so nothing shows up in the audits. So of course, everything would look (in theory) as it worked perfectly. Of course you would need the extra HW to test out your theory. But that would mean you'd have to battle someone and destroy the fleets over their HW, so you could land and take it. Anyone with one of these mythical second HW's would probably have boasted about it. For example, you would probably see something like this posted as the enemy home forces were destroyed. Alien Fleet Sighting : XXXXXXXXXX [in-system move by empire # 3833] NSI Napatha Solarum Imperium # 3535 'Ebon Field; Crimson Gauntlet Seizes Argent Galaxy' . . . **DESTROYED** [60th] COLL Ice Box (Large Colonial Transport - 510,000 tons) [integrity: 500,200] (Green, Timid) Of course, this is all theory. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Very nice theory. Thanks for sharing all your theoretical problems with skeptics. But don't all those airlock exits pose a navigation problem? Perhaps they could be gunnery practice targets? In theory, of course. Octus Imperium <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I thought they became gunnery practice targets after they were expeled from the airlock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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