Desmodus Posted April 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Duke Danestar: I never dreamed that you and your galactic neighbors would welcome our arrival with such fanfare! Your planetary anthem broadcasting proudly on all communication channels and the breath taking multi-colored aerial display timed perfectly to coincide with our entering the atmosphere. What an awe inspiring sight it was! The job fair that followed was quite successful - I had no idea that we would have such a massive turnout for this event! Literally 100's of thousands of your subjects turned out for the opportunities we had available; it was very difficult, but I believe we were able to find gainful employment for almost all that attended. Sadly, the crowd control specialists that you had provided were not quite up to the task and were overcome by the crush of applicants; it was most fortuitous that my personal security force was available to restore order before the crowd became too unruly. Again, my sincerest thanks for allowing this event to take place - your former citizens greatly appreciate the sacrifices you made which enabled them to take advantage of the career growth opportunities the Megachiroptera Empire could provide. Warmest Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir smeg Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Oh the humanity, and I thought that the stories I here at work where far fetched. For those interested here is the results of the Ground battle, on the first turn as well, almost like someone was worried that he might have misplaced a homeworld. So does anyone want to take bets on howlong it will take me to be the big meany, a years supply of starbrew for the closest answer. Sir Smeg ----- ICRAR [ K (Orange) 5 V ] [single Star] - 2 ----- MEG Megachiroptera Empire # 2964 'Bloody Fangs On A Sable Field' TSI The Third Silen Imperium # 185 'White Cat Sitting On Throne Resting Head On Paw' A humanoid creature roughly simila to a terran cat in features. These creatures grow to as large as 2 meters, being slightly faster than can be considered average they are also able to jump large distances. Like their terran counterparts thye are covered in a short layer of fur, this has been seen in almost all types of colours including some which appear to be rather exotic, it is unknown if Silen dye their fur or if this is a natural occurrance. ** Table of Organization & Equipment: Icrar Invasion Force # 10 ** Megachiroptera Empire # 2964 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 60 Colonial Settler 60 Combat Engineer 60 EW 18 Fortress 60 Guerrilla 60 Imperial Army Air Force 90 Imperial Army Armor 60 Imperial Army Artillery 60 Imperial Army Heavy Air Defense 90 Imperial Army Heavy Armor 60 Imperial Army Heavy Artillery 120 Imperial Army Heavy Infantry 120 Imperial Army Infantry 90 Imperial Army Mechanized Infantry 75 Imperial Army Special Forces 30 Imperial Army Strategic Bomber 60 Imperial Guards Heavy Air Defense 60 Imperial Guards Heavy Artillery 60 Imperial Guards Infantry 90 Imperial Guards Security 60 Imperial Guards Special Forces 60 Imperial Marines Air Force 90 Imperial Marines Armor 105 Imperial Marines Heavy Infantry 105 Imperial Marines Infantry 60 Imperial Marines Raiders 60 Imperial Marines Special Forces 60 Intelligence 60 Medical 36 Naval 45 NBC 60 Space Defense 24 Special Talent 30 Transport ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Defense [750000] Anti-Aircraft Artillery, Argus Laser Cannon, Blowpipe Surface-to-Air Missile Air Support [1632000] Advanced Attack Helicopter, Advanced Jet Fighter-Bomber, Attack Helicopter Helicopter, Jet Fighter-Bomber Air To Air [1518000] Advanced Jet Fighter-Bomber, Jet Fighter, Jet Fighter-Bomber Ammunition [1.08675E+07] Air Car, Armored Personnel Carrier, Battle Sled, Cargosub, Halftrack Heavy Halftrack, Heavy Truck, Hovercraft, Skimmer, Tckon Imperial Assault Boat Truck Amphibious [6.58125E+07] Air Car, Battle Sled, Cargosub, Hovercraft, Skimmer, Tckon Imperial Assault Boat Antitank [3663000] Tank Destroyer, Viper Anti-Tank Guided Missile Aquatic [1.2906E+08] Cargosub, Tckon Imperial Assault Boat Armor [8019000] Armored Car, Armored Personnel Carrier, Ferret Excavator Tank Heavy Tank, Light Tank, Scout Tank Artillery [1.398638E+08] Advanced Heavy Mobile SSM, Advanced Howitzer, Advanced Mobile SSM Long Tom Howitzer, Longbow, M110 Mortar, M82 Mortar, Mobile SSM Surface-to-Surface Missile Biological Defense [132000] Cellular Enhancement Drug, Mk I Biological Weapons Defenses Tckon Imperial Powered Assault Armor Biological Weapons [130500] Harmful Biological Munitions Broken Terrain [2442000] Ferret Excavator Tank, Halftrack, Heavy Halftrack, Tckon Imperial Powered Assault Armor Camouflage [304500] Chameleon Cloak, Sneak Suit, Tckon Imperial Powered Assault Armor Chemical Defense [102000] Cellular Enhancement Drug, Mk I Chemical Weapons Defenses, Tckon Imperial Powered Assault Armor Chemical Weapons [1.519455E+07] Advanced Heavy Mobile SSM, Advanced Howitzer, Advanced Mobile SSM Irritant Agents Chemical Munitions, Long Tom Howitzer, Mobile SSM Surface-to-Surface Missile Close Combat [2.28588E+08] Ablative Armor, Assault Armor, Battle Armor, Battle Dress, Battleaxe Chainsaw, Club, Combat Environment Suit, Dagger, Flak Jacket K54 Fragmentation Grenade, M75 High Explosive Grenade, Powered Assault Armor Spear, Sword, Tckon Imperial Powered Assault Armor, Thermic Lance Electronics Warfare [264000] J2 Phantom Jammer, J41 Phantom Jammer Engineering [624000] Barbed Wire, C552 HE Demo Charge, High Explosive Demolition Charge Razor Wire Environmental [12000] ECK ESP [1.08792E+07] 1st Generation ESP, 2nd Generation ESP, 3rd Generation ESP, 4th Generation ESP ESP Deluder Heavy Weapons [1.25934E+08] Battle Sled, Brumbar Infantry Support Gun, Recoilless Rifle Tckon Imperial Assault Boat Intelligence [1239300] K1 Terrier Scanner, Laser Communications Gear, Scout Tank, Smoke Projector Triton Short Range Sonar Medical [351000] Cellular Enhancement Drug, Mk I Field Hospital, Mk II Field Hospital Nuclear Defense [90000] Perimeter Shield, Refuge Shield, Tckon Imperial Powered Assault Armor Nuclear Weapons [1.78785E+07] Advanced Heavy Mobile SSM, Advanced Mobile SSM, Cobalt Fusion Bomb ESP Deluder, Fusion Bomb, Howler Bomb, Mobile SSM, Nuclear Bomb Surface-to-Surface Missile, Telekinetic Blaster, Thermo-Atomic Bomb Open Terrain [5905500] Armored Car, Armored Personnel Carrier, Heavy Halftrack, Heavy Tank Heavy Truck, Light Tank, Scout Tank, Tckon Imperial Powered Assault Armor Truck Orbital Bombardment [4.014E+07] Advanced Heavy Mobile SSM, Advanced Mobile SSM, Battle Sled Mobile SSM, Surface-to-Surface Missile, Tckon Imperial Assault Boat Security [276000] Dartgun, Tazer Small Arms [1005000] Carbine, Harpoon Gun, Laser Rifle, Semiautomatic Pistol, Shotgun Space Defense [132000] Perimeter Shield, Refuge Shield Special Weapons [1122000] ICE-1, ICE-2, ICE-3, ICE-4 Subterranean [582750] Ferret Excavator Tank, Tckon Imperial Powered Assault Armor Telekinesis [1.08792E+07] 1st Generation Telekinetics, 2nd Generation Telekinetics, 3rd Generation Telekinetics 4th Generation Telekinetics, Telekinetic Blaster Telepathics [1.08792E+07] 1st Generation Telepathics, 2nd Generation Telepathics, 3rd Generation Telepathics 4th Generation Telepathics, Howler Bomb Transport [2.0985E+07] Air Car, Armored Personnel Carrier, Battle Sled, Cargosub, Halftrack Heavy Halftrack, Heavy Truck, Hovercraft, Skimmer, Tckon Imperial Assault Boat Truck ** Table of Organization & Equipment: 1st Icrar Guard # 605 ** The Third Silen Imperium # 185 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 EW 1 Guerrilla 2 Imperial Army Air Force 1 Imperial Guards Heavy Air Defense 2 Imperial Guards Heavy Infantry 1 Imperial Guards Security 2 Imperial Marines Special Forces 3 Intelligence 1 Medical 1 NBC 2 Space Defense 4 Special Talent ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Defense [1400] Anti-Aircraft Artillery Air Support [400] Helicopter Artillery [200] Longbow, M82 Mortar Camouflage [2800] Chameleon Cloak, Sneak Suit Chemical Weapons [900] Irritant Agents Chemical Munitions Close Combat [17600] Ablative Armor, Battleaxe, Chainsaw, Club, Combat Environment Suit Dagger, Flak Jacket, M75 High Explosive Grenade, Sonic Mace Spear, Sword, T5 Sonic Grenade, Thermic Lance, Vibroblade ESP [49200] 1st Generation ESP, ESP Deluder Heavy Weapons [1000] Recoilless Rifle Intelligence [2800] Smoke Projector Medical [600] Mk I Field Hospital Nuclear Weapons [12000] ESP Deluder, Fusion Bomb, Hydrogen Bomb, Neutron Bomb, Nuclear Bomb Thermo-Atomic Bomb, Thunderclap Bomb Security [1600] Dartgun, Tangler Small Arms [9900] Carbine, Gauss Rifle, Harpoon Gun, Laser Pistol, Laser Rifle Semiautomatic Pistol, Shotgun Space Defense [900] Perimeter Shield Special Weapons [200] ICE-1 Telekinesis [48000] 1st Generation Telekinetics Telepathics [48000] 1st Generation Telepathics ** Tactical Rating Modifiers ** Air Defense Air Support Air to Air Ammunition Amphibious Antitank Aquatic +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 Armor Artillery Biodefense Bioweapons Broken Terrain Camouflage Chemdefense +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 Chemweapons Close Combat EW Engineering Environmental ESP Heavy Weapons +10 +30 +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 Intel Medical Nuc Defense Nuc Weapons Open Terrain Orbital Bmb Security +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 Small Arms Space Defense Special Wpns Subterranean Telekinesis Telepathics Transport +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 +10 Odds: 145.3979 Total tactical combat odds shifts: 37 Attacking divisions counted as if they were 3.5 divisions each for casualty purposes Defending divisions counted as if they were 2.9 divisions each for casualty purposes Ground combat results Attacker losses: <no losses> Defender losses: <all divisions> Quote Link to 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Jemanari Public Relations Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Looking at the ground techs of both sides it appears to me that Smeg's empire was much much younger than his adversary. So is that all there is to this game? Build your empire till a much older position finds you and rolls over you because theres no possible way you could stand up to them? From some of the other meetings of empires I am hearing about it certainly seems that way. What's the point of playing if the game is designed in such a way that players that have started in the last 2 years or so have no chance of ever being able to actually defend themselves against the older positions that come passing through? 500 million to 1 billion ton ships with Mk9 techs against positions that can only muster perhaps 20 million ton ships and MK4 or 5 techs? If this is a common occurence then the game needs some serious redesigning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cestvel Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Well other empires founded around the same time are way more advanced. So it depends on your playstyle to some degree what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagritz Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Well other empires founded around the same time are way more advanced. So it depends on your playstyle to some degree what happens. coming from a player who used an older more advanced empire to pick off a younger empire I knew you wouldn't see a problem with this turn of events... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Deependra Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 What I find most impressive is, with all that ground tech research, even Megachiroptera hasn't found any other Environmental tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmodus Posted April 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Looking at the ground techs of both sides it appears to me that Smeg's empire was much much younger than his adversary.So is that all there is to this game? Build your empire till a much older position finds you and rolls over you because theres no possible way you could stand up to them? From some of the other meetings of empires I am hearing about it certainly seems that way. What's the point of playing if the game is designed in such a way that players that have started in the last 2 years or so have no chance of ever being able to actually defend themselves against the older positions that come passing through? 500 million to 1 billion ton ships with Mk9 techs against positions that can only muster perhaps 20 million ton ships and MK4 or 5 techs? If this is a common occurence then the game needs some serious redesigning. Really? I doubt that his position is much younger than mine - looking at the date he joined the forum, I'd speculate maybe 15 turns which is not significant considering the game has been running for about 7 years and I started long after the game began - the difference most likely is from initial racial design and research paths. Also of note, this is not Smeg's HW - judging by the lack of development, he probably only recently conquered it himself. Seeing that our start times were not so different and that it took 5 years for us to bump into each other, I think you are unfairly characterizing the game as being stacked against new empires - newer empires actually have an advantage in not having to learn as much through trial and error as the core empires had to do which certainly offsets having a few extra turns of play. You would have a legitmate complaint if a core empire was bumping into someone who had started a couple of years ago - that is certainly not the case here and I've not heard of any incidents that would fit that description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Capitan Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Yeah, it would seem very difficult to base how "new" an empire is off of just one ground battle. Something else to consider is that a lot of players have multiple empires but don't necessarily devote their attention equally among them. And as Desmodus said, is this Sir Smeg's main HW, or one that he has picked up and not developed yet. There are just way too many variables to make a judgement off of one battle. If both sides would be willing to post the start dates of their empires, it would be easier to determine if the lopsidedness is due to a difference in start times or due to some other factor like racial design, research paths, empire management, etc. (assuming that the dates they post are accurate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmodus Posted April 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Yeah, it would seem very difficult to base how "new" an empire is off of just one ground battle. Something else to consider is that a lot of players have multiple empires but don't necessarily devote their attention equally among them. And as Desmodus said, is this Sir Smeg's main HW, or one that he has picked up and not developed yet. There are just way too many variables to make a judgement off of one battle. If both sides would be willing to post the start dates of their empires, it would be easier to determine if the lopsidedness is due to a difference in start times or due to some other factor like racial design, research paths, empire management, etc. (assuming that the dates they post are accurate). Don't know how long he owned it, but definitely was not his main HW - I can tell from the empire id linked to the main pop group that it originally belonged to SPS The Spreading Stain # 1190 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfouasnon Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 It has certainly happened....I have my first position started in January 2008 that is neighbors to a position started in March 2005...of course , neighbors to a HW he had conquered . But the potential is very real that an old position can overrun a much newer position , depending on diplomacy or lack of it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemanari Public Relations Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 From the previous posts I had taken it that it was the main HW which i would have expected an older empire to have much more ground defense units.Combining the low level of defensive troops and the low ground techs led me to believe it was a much younger empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Shadow Imperium Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 From the previous posts I had taken it that it was the main HW which i would have expected an older empire to have much more ground defense units.Combining the low level of defensive troops and the low ground techs led me to believe it was a much younger empire. No one thinks that attack and posting of a message that appears to indicate non aggression was just plain mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cestvel Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 No one thinks that attack and posting of a message that appears to indicate non aggression was just plain mean? One calls this deception. And until you know from other sources or longer experience with one player/empire one should plan for such an incident. What impresses me is the quick and stealthly annextion. From these posts I would have anticipated a Ground Attack next turn at the earliest. Impressive planning there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir smeg Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Cestvel - One can call it deception, one can also call it diplomacy or a variety of other things alas real life tends to make me rather cautious of such approches. I am happy to say that the homeworld located in the Icrar system was not my Empires home system, the wonders of one way warp points allowed one of my explorers to get there following by the minimal requirements of an reclamation force. For those who may care the path back to my empire is a long and interesting one expecially since my scouts use an array of five MK VI JSS, it should be fun and give me time to send out the odd supprise, though I can't say for certin if I can do the same thing I did in victory. Sir Smeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconutheads Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Cestvel - One can call it deception, one can also call it diplomacy or a variety of other things alas real life tends to make me rather cautious of such approches. I am happy to say that the homeworld located in the Icrar system was not my Empires home system, the wonders of one way warp points allowed one of my explorers to get there following by the minimal requirements of an reclamation force. For those who may care the path back to my empire is a long and interesting one expecially since my scouts use an array of five MK VI JSS, it should be fun and give me time to send out the odd supprise, though I can't say for certin if I can do the same thing I did in victory. Sir Smeg You must have some type Z WP's to require the use of FIVE Mk6 Jump Survey Sensors!!!! I have successfully scanned 8 Type G WP's with nothing more than a single Mk4 JSS plus a mid/high grade explorer and a mid grade scientist. In fact, I've scanned 2 Type I WP's with nothing more than a single Mk4JSS plus the top of the line explorer and top of the line scientist. One has to wonder whether you really need 5 of those Mk6 JSS's in order to get to your actual HW.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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