Warmaster Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Just a quick check with anyone who can verify the legility of an order I want to submit. Is it leagal to TAS a enemy ground unit in a Port city via the sea IF a nuetral country occupies the province? Fictional Example: Can I order a TAS on xLondon: OMA 6 TAS calais Eng3 xlondon IF london is held by Spain who I am not at war with?? My ships fly in from the sea to the enemy port and never cross the nuetral held province .....right???? While I am questioning the way the world works......how did the game rules ever allow a AK to carry say 500 fuel but not 500 PET??? A barrel of fluid is a barrel of fluid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfbeerse Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Hello Warmastrer, I think it is possible to strike a portcity. It is a legal path to enter the city, so I do not see any problems in applying this type of attack. I have never tried this tactic, so perhaps someone has experience in this. Norbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurassier Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Don't know that I've ever tried it, but based upon the way the game was programmed, I would say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 I think it is legal. You can certainly invade a port directly from the sea even if the surrounding lands are nuetral and I know you can coastal bombard the city, so I don't see why you couldn't TAS from the sea zone. Let us know if it is successful' Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takeda Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Did it work? Enquiring minds...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaster Posted May 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Did it work? Enquiring minds...... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The opportunity that raised this question did not come to pass. It remains an open question but apparently should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krysia's Krusader Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 ... While I am questioning the way the world works......how did the game rules ever allow a AK to carry say 500 fuel but not 500 PET??? A barrel of fluid is a barrel of fluid. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not quite an answer for you, but a FUEL is 1/10 of a PET in game load considerations. If you verify the rules, you'll see that 1 point of PET is equivilant to 10 tons of petroleum. While 1 point of FUEL is 1/10 ton, of deisel, or gasoline, or lubricants, or hay (for the cavalry units), or whatever you fancy. I had asked something similar, in Game #74. Now if your talking about barrels (like I was); go here. Specifically, look at post #318. Regards, Krysia's Krusader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiberiusuhl Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Can I order a TAS on xLondon: OMA 6 TAS calais Eng3 xlondon IF london is held by Spain who I am not at war with?? My ships fly in from the sea to the enemy port and never cross the nuetral held province .....right???? That is correct. When attacking a port city from the sea the port is considered to border the sea zone as well as it's home province. Unlike with land locked cities where the city is considered to be in the middle of the home province. This allows for coastal bombardments, air strikes, amphibious landings, and all other non-combat things as long as you come from the sea zone to the port city. Russ: Correct me if I'm wrong. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaster Posted March 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Can I order a TAS on xLondon: OMA 6 TAS calais Eng3 xlondon IF london is held by Spain who I am not at war with?? My ships fly in from the sea to the enemy port and never cross the nuetral held province .....right???? That is correct. When attacking a port city from the sea the port is considered to border the sea zone as well as it's home province. Unlike with land locked cities where the city is considered to be in the middle of the home province. This allows for coastal bombardments, air strikes, amphibious landings, and all other non-combat things as long as you come from the sea zone to the port city. Russ: Correct me if I'm wrong. B. Hear Ye! Hear Ye! A situation has finally arose that has proven this question once and for all. Note the following error message on this order: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OMA ms 6 lw xxx xxx xxxx Bla16 xSamsun Samsun is considered an impassable location -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note this order has worked on two other occasions but NOW some Friendly soul has taken the province! The city/port has not changed hands and is still held by my enemy. I can't bombard the port even though I came from the sea. The case is now closed but I disagree with the computer programing that did not allow this order to process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaster Posted March 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Note the following error message on this order: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OMA ms 6 lw xxx xxx xxxx Bla16 xSamsun Samsun is considered an impassable location -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note this order has worked on two other occasions but NOW some Friendly soul has taken the province! The city/port has not changed hands and is still held by my enemy. I can't bombard the port even though I came from the sea. The case is now closed but I disagree with the computer programing that did not allow this order to process. Given the above revelation. Does anyone think an amphibious assualt on xSansum would have worked if I tried? My guess is that if aircraft cannot get into a port if a friendly nation holds the province then a amphibous assualt would not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfbeerse Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Warmaster, The amphibious assault will work, as you will come directly from the sea into the port. Hope this helps, Norbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miraeng Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Warmaster, The amphibious assault will work, as you will come directly from the sea into the port. Hope this helps, Norbert G'Day Norbert I think you are right and if you are hen an air raid is also legal if coming straight in from a sea zone. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfbeerse Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Paul, The game mechanics of airstrikes and groundassaults are very different... That is probably the reason why it does not work for airstrikes... If the same air-rules apply for groundassaults, then you can never assault a portcity with marines directly... Norbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miraeng Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Paul, The game mechanics of airstrikes and groundassaults are very different... That is probably the reason why it does not work for airstrikes... If the same air-rules apply for groundassaults, then you can never assault a portcity with marines directly... Norbert Hi Norbert Come to think of it. When I did an air strike on an enemy of mine in a port city. The provence was controled by a Total ally so the rule wouldn't have applied. I'd like to test that theory. How about you take xcalais and I'll see if I can do an air strike into the city. How else can we test it? Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfbeerse Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Hello Paul, Why don't you attack xCalais and we do the airstrikes... That sounds like a better test plan to me... Norbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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