Stalingrad V80 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Players, For those of us who have been playing PBM for awhile, we all can recall players we have encountered who actively work to find ways of pimping the rules, but not break them. There have been (and will always be) PBM players who are very good at finding the weak spots in a game design (loopholes, questionable tactics, etc.) that result in dis-honorable game play. Some people will do whatever they can in a PBM game to get an edge - it has been that way as long as I've been involved in PBM (over 20 years for me). While they may succeed in gaining an advantage for themselves in a game, they effectively ruin the game for many others and demoralize the newer recruits we all work hard to introduce to our fine hobby. Victory! is one of those games where it is up to us, the players, to punish those players who wreck the game for others. An ideal game of Victory! might be one where all 40 nations are played to the bitter end and where all nations have their own best interests at heart all the time but that will never happen. There are rules and code in Victory! that are present for no other purpose than to limit abusive situations when it comes to undermining defenses and cooperating in questionable ways. Unfortunately, these rules will never be enough to ensure a completely fair game. There are rules in the game that limit collusion - limits on the money you can transfer to another, limits on what territory you can cede and how much you can cede per turn, limits on the material you can give another nation, etc. all for the direct purpose of preventing certain abuse if they were not there. HOWEVER There is no rule, indicating that you must effectively defend your nation from a specific enemy or cooperate in ways that could be "questionable" to others. It is this PRACTICE that has been pimped in a great way in Game 84, and perhaps in others as well. As you may have noticed, Baltic States conquered xMoscow and xYelnya on TURN 6. Impressive. 6 TURNS later he conquered xDnepropetrovsk and xKarlauka. Huh? 2 TURNS later he is in Stalingrad, with unscathed forces. No way. It is evident that collusion and dishonest play had to occur as Central Russia has moved forces out of the way for Baltics to take resources and pop centers unopposed. Do the math, plot the path and you decide how it could be accomplished in any other way than planned collusion. I do not know their name, whether they are new or old, or anything else about them. This is based purely on data gathered in game. This is the sort of player that makes good games miserable. It is up to us, the players of game 84 to punish this player. I call upon you to assist in shutting them down by all declaring war to slam his morale negative, then we all force peace upon him. It is the only tool we have to try to keep Victory! honest and weasels at a minimum. South Russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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