T'Aleen Empire Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Ok as we all know, Pete says that there is a slight small chance that using either a EXPL or XEXPL order that one might find (if one has cargo space) some cash of Tech Items !!! Has ANYONE at all found anything yet ??? If so speak up, Pete said he was going to UP the %, but I have not heard of anyone yet finding anything...has anyone else ??? Penn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTGPete Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Definitely looking at upping the %. I've seen items found, but it's too rare, and finding things is fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquilonia Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 I m producing small cargo ships and sending to all my pathfinders , to not to lose gifts I have a question. Does fleet find and lose the items if doesnt have cargo space or even cant find ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T'Aleen Empire Posted July 11, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Ok Pete, care to 'HINT' at the size these Cargo bays should be. most of my EXPL type ships have either 25k or 50k Cargo bays! Care to give us a hint or clearer range we should have in the way of Cargo Holds??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobknob Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Previous hints have indicated that there are items that are 1,000,000 tons in size to be found, although they are very rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowKitsune Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 As the Board Troll Hobknob has pointed out, items can be up to 1 million tons in size (although they are the rarest of the lot). If you find something and you do not have the Fleet cargo capacity to hold the item, it goes away. This was on a Post by Pete on the old ezBoard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurassier Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Ok, maybe I'm just cynical or naive, but who is going to be EXPLoring with a fleet that has a million tons of cargo holds? Seems like an awful waster of valuable cargo space...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobknob Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Cargo space is cheap and it doesn't take long to add up to a lot. While I don't have 1,000,000 I do have 300,000. this mostly came about as a result of Petes "fix" on the explore orders and the required scaling down of said orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldred Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 As I understand the situation, to achieve a decent level of exploration results you need a large fleet of explorer craft carrying out XEXPL orders on lots of different worlds. If items found can be of the 1,000,000 ton class then to cover for this possibilty exploration ships would have to be enormous (and few in number). My exploration ships have cargo bays in the order of 10,000 - 20,000. Am I therefore wasting my time with such small ships? Is it a question of balancing getting lots of XEXPL results and never having enough capacity for finds or just building a few massive ships and waiting for the big payday! It seems to me things would be much easier (and more realistic!) if items could be found, and then (in the event of insufficient cargo space) additional ships could be sent to collect. If we can't have that then can the GM give us some hints about the size of typical finds - ie will most of them fit into a 10,000 bay? are the sizes completely random or do they follow some sort of formula? are the enormous finds incredibly rare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Miles Avatar Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Up to 1 million tons eh??? well that settles it then. I need a ship or group of ships with that many holds. It may be that finding that 1 million ton piece of hardware is like hitting the lottery but hey if would be just my luck to find it and NOT have the space to carry it. As Hobnob put it a 1 million ton cargo hold doesnt really take up too many resources and its better to be safe then really bummed out and sorry should you be lucky enough to discover a find of that magnitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T'Aleen Empire Posted July 11, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 WHAT, 1 million Cargo Bays for a explorer...doing nothing but XEXPL in the .001% chance it strikes a 'Mother Load' in items? Are you NUTZ??? What a freaking waste !!! What ever happened to finding 1-2 of a item, not some HUGE cach of them !!! Seems a lot more realistic to me, and should be alot more common as well too. Remember in space stuff would last alot longer, than on planet side! Man what a resource hog this is turning out to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T'Aleen Empire Posted July 11, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Talking about this with a friend, whom also plays in other PBMs/PBEMs too! He feels that it is a real disapointment that 'IF you do not have the CARGO' space you LOOSE the items Now he said it is only logical that someone would sit there and call up Transport to cart away the stuff, but to just loose it. ALSO as he pointed out, we don't EVEN get notified that we found this huge cach and lost it...I AM SCREAMING...FOUL !!! This should be changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobknob Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 How do we know that we don't get notified? I would expect to see a message stating that the cargo master loaded X item into cargo bays or failed to load X item because it wouldn't fit. I really doubt we have been missing a bunch of items simply due to lack of cargo space. I also don't expect to find 100,000 tons of iron or other multiple items. I really think we will be finding 1 or 2 Mk IV Nova Siege Cannons that each take up 125,000 tons, or something similar. It really is pointless to even worry about it until Pete fixes the code so we can actually find stuff. If a single can have 100's of successful explores and still not find anything I doubt my few dozen success will likely turn up anything either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTGRuss Posted July 12, 2003 Report Share Posted July 12, 2003 I really doubt we have been missing a bunch of items simply due to lack of cargo space. That hasn't been the case so don't worry on that score. You haven't been losing lots of items - the code just hasn't been letting you find very many if any at all. We are looking at increasing the chances on finding things since that is a planned fun activity that just isn't working. Please note that this isn't mean to be a lottery jackpot - you won't be finding huge weapons that outclass your entire fleet (and that of your neighbors). You'll find small lots of items, including finished products, that will be useful to you but will not upset the strategic balance of power. The chance of losing items will exist but if you follow the guideline here you won't have to worry about it. Guideline: Shoot for about 25,000 tons available cargo capacity. The vast majority of finds will be less than this (the larger finds being either rare or dealt with in other ways) so you can get by with less but if you want to pretty much eliminate the chance of losing something - keep 25,000 tons free space. Implementation Note: We'll include a note in the turn results when we've got this change in the game. You can start making plans but don't go hog wild on EXPL orders for the purpose of trying to find doodads until you see the note from Pete Russ P.S. I just knew that putting in those angry emoticons would come back to haunt me... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternusIV Posted July 12, 2003 Report Share Posted July 12, 2003 Quite honest? I'm not sweating the items thing. Seriously - my luck I'll find one six systems out....you think I'm gonna spend two months just to get that baby back to a shipyard? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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