WKE235 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Actually I just discovered that the engine cant handle really big transfers, I had 15 billion (15,000,000,000) materials I needed to transfer did a TR order via the TC and then via the Universal Gate only to discover that only 2 billion (2,000,000,000) of the materials had gone through. Apparently the TR system cant handle bigger numbers than that so you need to do the same thing over and over within the TR to ensure that you get the stuff across Cheers /Locklyn I wonder if that is a "can't handle" or if it is a deliberate limitation by Pete (like the SHIP order). Probably can't handle. For MS Access, and Long Integer defined field can only handle values from –2,147,483,648 to 2,147,483,642. My bet is the amount field is defined as a Long Integer someplace in the transfer process, maybe even in the order processing piece. So you enter 15 Billion on screen, and behind the scenes in processing only a portion of that gets moved as MS Access loses the higer order bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cestvel Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Maybe these were your losses you saw using TR between normal Transportation Centers on a World with a Universal Gate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locklyn Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Maybe these were your losses you saw using TR between normal Transportation Centers on a World with a Universal Gate? No, those were unrelated and not in that scale, havent happened since I wrote Pete about it though so I guess he found it and squashed it /Locklyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Deependra Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 1. The Combat Engine is flawed. Specifically, it cannot handle battles with large numbers of combatants. Right now, that strain is coming from "useless" screen ships - small (1000-2000 ton) vessels - that are mass produced by the thousands by the more established empires. However, as these same older Empires gain technologies which improve resource gathering and industrial output, they can start to build similar quantities of larger - say 50k-100k ton - vessels, which would be harder to dismiss as "useless". (I could add as a corollary - what exactly am I to do with all of the "low-end" weaponry that I built back when they were "state-of-the-art" such as 10cm Autocannons?) I don't know if you can say the combat engine is flawed. It seems to work. But it takes a long time to run through a battle involving large numbers of ships. And it uses a lot of memory to do so. Imagine two fleets, eacy with 20,000 ships, and a 100 fire rating. Each round of combat, for each side, it has to do this 200 times: Select an opposing ship, select again and if a better target aim there, determine the glob of damage based on defenses and distance, record damage to the ship, record if destroyed .. repeat. Once a combat round is complete, calc out changes in fire power and fire control, repeat sequence. Somewhere in here it tosses in CIDS effect on missles/fighters as well. The computer will have to process all of these instructions over and over at least 40,000 times. At in every step it's calling on other database objects and tables to work out formulas and hit percentages. All the IO, page reads, etcetera.. add up and really slow the process down. MS Access is famous for not freeing up the memory pages as it processes in the tables. So the database size keeps going up as data is updated, with the older space not deleted or removed until a compress is run. This can also lead to thrashing where the product keeps processing huge chunks of data into and out of storage, just to process one small piece of data. If anything I would say the technology used in the program is not up to the demands the game is placing on it. Actually I just discovered that the engine cant handle really big transfers, I had 15 billion (15,000,000,000) materials I needed to transfer did a TR order via the TC and then via the Universal Gate only to discover that only 2 billion (2,000,000,000) of the materials had gone through. Apparently the TR system cant handle bigger numbers than that so you need to do the same thing over and over within the TR to ensure that you get the stuff across Cheers /Locklyn I wonder if that is a "can't handle" or if it is a deliberate limitation by Pete (like the SHIP order). Or a limitation not to swell the database? Anyways, as for the latest snafu, Pete has promised to correct all the errors that occured due to the wormhole coding error. So have sent the list and hoping everything works out, would be nice (both for me and Pete) to have a turn where I didnt have to email him directly after I receive the turn... /Locklyn Maybe Pete just likes getting e-mail from you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternusIV Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 "If anything I would say the technology used in the program is not up to the demands the game is placing on it." A+ for succinctness and clarity. The next question: what can we do about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfouasnon Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 The data base will continue to be the problem , even if the flag bridge nullifies the effect of the screens . New empires are being added to the game all the time , and even if a couple of hundred thousand screens are dismantled , the fix of screens being dismantled is only temporary at best . Believe it or not , I can believe that somebody who has built untold thousands of screens for several years in the game might be upset that after a couple of years the screens might destroy the game . Blasphemy and a pox on the person that has the gall to suggest that those screens need to disappear . At the same time , this game has been going on now since before I left from Germany....I had submitted a setup and sent money to Russ to be in the original core group....for some reason , RTG cashed my check but somehow lost my setup info...ask Russ , he would probably verify this...RTG did , after several years , refund me the money back from the check that was cashed , and apologized . If I read things right , things that were supposed to have been included as the game as the game progressed , seem to have been forgotten....and quite truthfully , probably never will happen . Religion , spies , the list goes on . What I do think though , is that if we pay to play a game , then we should also be able to expect , at least to some degree , that the problems in the game get addressed , and also eventually the game gets finished . I don't honestly believe that this is happening , so I am blunt in what I say . I actually like this game quite a lot . There is no other game left like this game . I have been playing pbm games since the middle '80's . Finished , this game would be so awesome . If it takes someone to be an asshole to get some movement in the game , and maybe then Pete finishes and fixes the rest , heck , I have no problem in being that person . I don't see anyone else complaining about obvious problems . I saw Locklyn often complaining when I read through the old posts , but I think he has pretty much given up....which is a pity . His postings since I have been in the game have been pretty mild , and recently , it seems he has had thoughts of no longer playing once his current campaign is over...losing players like that is eventually the death to a pbm game like this one . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locklyn Posted December 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Gentlebeings, Here is the result of the Flag Bridge battle. I destroyed almost ratio of 3 to 1 of tonnage and damaged a lot of his heavies. It would seem Flag Bridges work exactly as promished which means I can now bring all of the Allied Fleets down on his HW in time for Xmas! Guess what Santa brings for Xmas!?....Yes thats right boys and girls, a vast alien armada over your home world!!! YAY!! Not had that much time to analyze the combat. If you have any comments feel free to post them, but as apparent, Flag Bridges seem to be the Screen Killers they promised to be especially if only one side has the Flag Bridge /Locklyn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ** NAVAL BATTLE REPORT ** ----- KHUZHA [ K (Orange) 5 V ] [single Star] - 1 ----- The Genesian Gremloid Technocracy # 2060 (+12 [Leaders * Lifeform]) Total tonnage: 88,057,300.....Base Fire Control: 22 [1,973,964,000 bridge] Hellenic League # 4991 (+17 [Leaders * Lifeform]) ----- Total tonnage: 1,154,475,644.....Base Fire Control: 62 [71,756,250,000 bridge] Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Fleet Admiral Nemo Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Fleet Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Grand Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Fleet Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Fleet Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Fleet Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Fleet Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Fleet Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Fleet Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Fleet Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Fleet Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Admiral Homeworld PDC Hellenic League #4991 Admiral 5th Explorer Hellenic League #4991 Ranger Andromeda Forward The Light Brigade The Genesian Gremloid Technocr #2060 Fleet Admiral Short Straw ------------------------------- ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** ---------------------------------------- The Genesian Gremloid Technocracy # 2060 [black Phoenix Rising From Golden Egg On Red Trimmed With Purple] Forward The Light Brigade [ROE: Q] *Column Attack* (Fleet Tonnage: 88,057,300) [Deploy Location 1] 1 NDNF IAFS Right Of Passage (Flag Nova Dreadnaught - 40,551,500 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 1 BB IAS Appetite For Destruction (Battleship - 6,969,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 1 DN IAS My Brother Is A Battlestar (Dreadnaught - 10,536,800 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 30000 COZ IAS Waste Not (Assault Corvette - 1,000 tons [each]) <3,530,000 Fuel> ------------------------------- ** Imperial Navy Report: Fleet Order of Battle ** ---------------------------------------- Hellenic League # 4991 [sailing Ship On A Blue Sea With A Shining Star Above] Homeworld PDC [ROE: Z] *Standard Line* (Fleet Tonnage: 1,166,203,544) [Deploy Location 1] 1 PFX I Love You (Planetary Fortress - 30,400,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 1663 SOX GGT Defender I (Surface Outpost - 2,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 7409 SOX GGT Pop the Fighters (Surface Outpost - 2,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 6238 DSAT GGT Defender (Defense Satellite - 1,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 4985 SOX GGT Decoy (Surface Outpost - 1,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 820 COZ GGT Probe (Assault Corvette - 1,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 1 PFX Green Slime (Planetary Fortress - 81,000,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 1 PFX Slimer (Planetary Fortress - 65,000,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 1 PFX Alpha Dog (Planetary Fortress - 58,713,200 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 14776 SOX GGT Defender II (Surface Outpost - 2,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 1 PFX Beta D (Planetary Fortress - 28,414,600 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 250 SOX Bunker A (Surface Outpost - 100,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 75907 DSAT GGT Speed Bump (Defense Satellite - 1,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 900 SOX Oooh (Surface Outpost - 4,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 1 PBX GGT Pimple (Planetary Bastion - 19,065,500 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 1 PFX Kick Back (Planetary Fortress - 68,500,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 1 FBS Tow Me Please (Fleet Base Station - 32,400,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 1 PBX The Male Dog II (Planetary Bastion - 29,500,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 1] 126 COZ Hit Me (Assault Corvette - 1,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PBX GGT Bush Lover (Planetary Bastion - 12,989,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PBX GGT Are Backstabbers (Planetary Bastion - 13,139,900 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PBX The GGT Resistance (Planetary Bastion - 13,025,544 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PBX GGT Slimey Betrayer (Planetary Bastion - 13,000,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 2 BC GGT Little Deterrent (Battle Cruiser - 1,225,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PFX GGT Love (Planetary Fortress - 41,000,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 SFX Base Station Alpha (Surface Fortress - 800,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PBX GGT Kiss This (Planetary Bastion - 15,000,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PSX GGT Kiss My Tckon (Planetary Stronghold - 9,145,300 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PFX The GGT XO (Planetary Fortress - 40,400,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PFX BC I (Planetary Fortress - 35,000,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PFX Tiny (Planetary Fortress - 34,329,900 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 2 PFX The Male Dog (Planetary Fortress - 35,500,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PBX The Pain (Planetary Bastion - 24,000,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PFX The G (Planetary Fortress - 27,931,600 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PFX Uno (Planetary Fortress - 39,360,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 BDN Hauler Mk II (Battle Dreadnaught - 12,500,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 PFX Northern Exposure (Planetary Fortress - 32,324,900 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 2] 1 NDN Aries Mk I (Nova Dreadnaught - 92,100,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 10] 1 PSX Base Station Epsilon (Planetary Stronghold - 2,760,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 10] 1 PSX Base Station Delta (Planetary Stronghold - 4,000,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 10] 1 PSX Base Station Gamma (Planetary Stronghold - 3,020,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 10] 1 SFX Base Station Beta (Surface Fortress - 1,126,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 12] 1 BMZ GGT Hauler (Assault Monitor - 2,000,100 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 12] 1 PSX GGT Elimination Command (Planetary Stronghold - 5,925,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 12] 1 BBZ GGT Hauler I (Assault Battleship - 3,211,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 12] 1 PBX Delta Force I (Planetary Bastion - 18,600,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 12] 1 PSX GGT Ground Control (Planetary Stronghold - 2,700,000 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 12] 1 PBX AI (Planetary Bastion - 16,000,000 tons [each]) <6,062 Combat Gunboat> 6st Explorer [ROE: Q] *Total Defense* (Fleet Tonnage: 2,700) [Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Explorer I (Fleet Scout - 2,700 tons [each]) <2 Colony Beacon> 2nd Colonizer [ROE: Q] *Total Defense* (Fleet Tonnage: 2,700) [Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Explorer I (Fleet Scout - 2,700 tons [each]) 4th Explorer [ROE: Q] *Total Defense* (Fleet Tonnage: 54,500) [Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Cargo Barge 50 (Light Freighter - 51,800 tons [each]) [Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Explorer I (Fleet Scout - 2,700 tons [each]) 5th Explorer [ROE: Q] *Total Defense* (Fleet Tonnage: 2,700) [Deploy Location 7] 1 FS Explorer I (Fleet Scout - 2,700 tons [each]) 7th Explorer [ROE: Q] *Total Defense* (Fleet Tonnage: 27,900) [Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Explorer II (Light Freighter - 27,900 tons [each]) 10th Explorer [ROE: Q] *Total Defense* (Fleet Tonnage: 54,600) [Deploy Location 7] 2 LF Explorer III (Light Freighter - 27,300 tons [each]) 11th Explorer [ROE: Q] *Total Defense* (Fleet Tonnage: 54,600) [Deploy Location 7] 2 LF Explorer III (Light Freighter - 27,300 tons [each]) 13th Explorer [ROE: Q] *Total Defense* (Fleet Tonnage: 27,300) [Deploy Location 7] 1 LF Explorer III (Light Freighter - 27,300 tons [each]) Test [ROE: Y] *Standard Line* (Fleet Tonnage: 1,225,000) [Deploy Location 2] 1 BC GGT Little Deterrent (Battle Cruiser - 1,225,000 tons [each]) GGT Test [ROE: Z] *Standard Line* (Fleet Tonnage: 120,100) [Deploy Location 2] 1 SDDZ Little Test (Assault Star Destroyer - 120,100 tons [each]) <20 Combat Gunboat> ** Battle Damage Assessment Report ** ----- Deployed Ordnance (Fighter/Drone Survivors) ----- Hellenic League # 4991 [ 6,027 / 6,062 Combat Gunboat] Standard Attack Mk I Fusion Pulse Engine Hellenic League # 4991 [ 0 / 20 Combat Gunboat] Standard Attack Mk I Fusion Pulse Engine -------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 1 ------------------------------------------------------------ **DESTROYED** [30085th] NDNF IAFS Right Of Passage (Flag Nova Dreadnaught - 40,551,500 tons) [integrity: 0 / 2,041,144,300] [shields: 0 / 25,000,000,000] (Green, Timid) 1,000 Fuel Tankage, 1 Mk I Flag Bridge, 5,000 Mk III Flux Capacitor, 299 Mk III Repulsor CIDS 770 Mk IV Gravitic Thruster, 1 Mk IV Holographic Cybernetic Battle Director, 10 Mk IV Repulsor CIDS 100,000 Mk IX Force Shield, 9,672 Mk VII Standoff Missile, 1 Nuclear Transwarp Drive, 20,000 Nucleonic Attractor 20 Repair Bay, 13 Siege Phase Shaker, 2,000,000 Tckon 68, 956 Type D Black Sphere Generator 20 Type D Disintegrator, 20 Type D Spinal Meson Accelerator Energy Disruptor: 35,200,001, Gravitonic: 457,600,010, Matter Disruptor: 35,200,001, Missile: 1,980,825,600 Particle Beam: 3,942,400,085 Black Sphere: 82.60 %, Flux Capacitance: 19.80 %, Maneuverability: 6.08, Molecular Pattern Stabilization: 49.70 % Missile Defense: 43.70 % **DESTROYED** [29764th] BB IAS Appetite For Destruction (Battleship - 6,969,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 756,061,500] [shields 0 / 3,000,000,000] (Green, Reliable) 134,000 Fuel Tankage, 1 Fusion Transwarp Drive, 1,000 Gamma-Ray Laser Mine Rack, 100 Mk III Gravitic Thruster 12,000 Mk IX Force Shield, 10 Siege Phase Shaker, 750,000 Tckon 68, 200 Type C Disintegrator 150 Type D Black Sphere Generator Energy Disruptor: 105,600,002, Gravitonic: 352,000,008, Matter Disruptor: 105,600,002, Mines: 4,224,000 Black Sphere: 81.20 %, Maneuverability: 4.13, Missile Defense: 34.10 % **DESTROYED** [30084th] DN IAS My Brother Is A Battlestar (Dreadnaught - 10,536,800 tons) [integrity: 0 / 1,460,141,800] [shields: 0 / 6,250,000,000] (Green, Timid) 25 Fuel Shuttle, 395,000 Fuel Tankage, 6,000 Gamma-Ray Laser Mine Rack, 40 Heavy Magnetic Grapple 44 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 500 Mk II Gravitic Thruster, 25,000 Mk IX Force Shield 352 Neutron Fixer, 1 Nuclear Transwarp Drive, 422 Proton Lock, 10 Repair Bay, 8 Siege Phase Shaker 100 Tachyon Communications Gear, 1,450,000 Tckon 68, 200 Type C Disintegrator, 154 Type D Black Sphere Generator Energy Disruptor: 105,600,002, Gravitonic: 282,339,206, Matter Disruptor: 105,600,002, Mines: 25,344,001 Black Sphere: 74.60 %, Maneuverability: 12.15, Molecular Pattern Stabilization: 5.40 %, Missile Defense: 50.00 % **DESTROYED** [3787th] COZ IAS Waste Not (Assault Corvette - 1,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 700,160] (Green, Timid) 100 Fuel Tankage, 1 Mk II Antimatter Engine, 1 Mk II Nuclear Jump Drive, 700 Tckon 68 Maneuverability: 16.00, Missile Defense: 50.00 % ** Battle Damage Assessment Report ** -------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 1 ------------------------------------------------------------ **MEDIUM DAMAGE** PFX Alpha Dog (Planetary Fortress - 58,713,200 tons) [integrity: 142,534,914,840 / 315,213,418,800] (Green, Timid) 660 3cm Chain Gun, 15,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 2,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS 150 Siege Plasma Hellbore, 35,000,000 Tckon 68, 100 Type D Plasma Torpedo Plasma: 506,880,020, Plasma Torpedo: 844,800,034, Projectile: 58,080 Missile Defense: 12.00 % **DESTROYED** [30087th] PFX Beta D (Planetary Fortress - 28,414,600 tons) [integrity: 0 / 162,093,731,400] (Green, Timid) 4,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 56 Medium Stun Beam, 25,000 Mk III Matter Disruptor 34 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 18,000,000 Tckon 68 Matter Disruptor: 704,000,015, Sonic: 24,640 Missile Defense: 0.50 %SOX Bunker A (Surface Outpost - 100,000 tons) [integrity: 810,090,000 / 810,090,000] (Green, Timid) 100 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 90,000 Tckon 68 Missile Defense: 80.10 % SOX GGT Defender I (Surface Outpost - 2,000 tons) [integrity: 17,100,900 / 17,100,900] (Green, Reliable) 1 Mk III Plasma Pulse CIDS, 1,900 Tckon 68 Missile Defense: 57.50 % SOX GGT Defender II (Surface Outpost - 2,000 tons) [integrity: 17,100,900 / 17,100,900] (Green, Timid) 1 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 1,900 Tckon 68 Missile Defense: 70.20 % **DESTROYED** [30085th] PBX GGT Pimple (Planetary Bastion - 19,065,500 tons) [integrity: 0 / 88,553,119,500] (Seasoned, Valiant) 30 4cm Gatling CIDS, 110 Fighter Bay, 60,000 Laser CIDS, 10 Light Pressor Beam, 110 Mk I Flux Capacitor 4 Mk I Heavy Missile, 6 Mk I Lightning Arc Generator, 64 Mk I Meson Screen, 6 Mk I Short Range Sensor 4 Mk I Short Range Torpedo, 2 Mk I Standard Torpedo, 1 Mk II Lightning Arc Generator, 4 Mk II Medium Range Sensor 1 Mk II Standard Torpedo, 2 SLY-1 Intelligence Sensor Package, 9,830,000 Tckon 68, 300 Type B Plasma Torpedo 3 Type C Defense Screen Energy Discharge: 11,000, Gravitonic: 8,800, Missile: 11,200, Plasma Torpedo: 158,400,006 Flux Capacitance: 0.30 %, Meson Web: 0.20 %, Missile Defense: 13.70 %, Screens: 0.40 % SOX GGT Pop the Fighters (Surface Outpost - 2,000 tons) [integrity: 16,201,800 / 16,201,800] (Green, Timid) 2 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 1,800 Tckon 68 Missile Defense: 81.40 % COZ GGT Probe (Assault Corvette - 1,000 tons) [integrity: 750,160 / 750,160] (Green, Timid) 50 Fuel Tankage, 1 Mk I Antimatter Engine, 1 Mk I Nuclear Jump Drive, 750 Tckon 68 Maneuverability: 8.00, Missile Defense: 63.00 % DSAT GGT Speed Bump (Defense Satellite - 1,000 tons) [integrity: 3,000,000 / 3,000,000] (Green, Timid) 1,000 Tckon 68 Missile Defense: 41.10 % **LIGHT DAMAGE** PFX Green Slime (Planetary Fortress - 81,000,000 tons) [integrity: 290,154,222,545 / 423,306,000,000] (Green, Timid) 10,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 10,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 400 Siege Plasma Hellbore 47,000,000 Tckon 68 Plasma: 1,351,680,054 Missile Defense: 33.10 % COZ Hit Me (Assault Corvette - 1,000 tons) [integrity: 900,080 / 900,080] (Green, Timid) 1 Mk II Fusion Engine, 900 Tckon 68 Maneuverability: 2.00, Missile Defense: 48.70 % **DESTROYED** [30088th] PFX I Love You (Planetary Fortress - 30,400,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 180,093,600,000] (Green, Timid) 4,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 25,000 Mk III Matter Disruptor, 20,000,000 Tckon 68 Matter Disruptor: 704,000,015 **MEDIUM DAMAGE** PFX Kick Back (Planetary Fortress - 68,500,000 tons) [integrity: 244,939,056,420 / 450,166,500,000] (Green, Timid) 5,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 80,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 50,000,000 Tckon 68 100 Type D Plasma Torpedo Plasma Torpedo: 844,800,034 Missile Defense: 82.40 % SOX Oooh (Surface Outpost - 4,000 tons) [integrity: 27,009,000 / 27,009,000] (Green, Timid) 10 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 3,000 Tckon 68 Missile Defense: 91.10 % **MEDIUM DAMAGE** PFX Slimer (Planetary Fortress - 65,000,000 tons) [integrity: 188,851,650,333 / 337,747,500,000] (Green, Timid) 10,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 15,000 Mk II Displacement Device, 10,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS 175 Siege Plasma Hellbore, 37,500,000 Tckon 68, 100 Type D Plasma Torpedo Plasma: 591,360,023, Plasma Torpedo: 844,800,034 Displacement: 18.80 %, Missile Defense: 38.10 % **CRIPPLED** PBX The Male Dog II (Planetary Bastion - 29,500,000 tons) [integrity: 719,282,194 / 171,094,500,000] (Green, Timid) 5,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 20,000 Mk IV Matter Disruptor, 19,000,000 Tckon 68 Matter Disruptor: 1,408,000,031 **DESTROYED** [24152nd] FBS Tow Me Please (Fleet Base Station - 32,400,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 63,633,600,000] (Green, Timid) 4,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 8,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 21,200,000 Tckon 68 800 Type D Disintegrator Energy Disruptor: 1,408,000,031, Matter Disruptor: 1,408,000,031 Missile Defense: 49.70 % -------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 2 ------------------------------------------------------------ NDN Aries Mk I (Nova Dreadnaught - 92,100,000 tons) [integrity: 91,999,960 / 91,999,960] [shields: 87,499,750,000 / 87,499,750,000] (Green, Timid) 100,000 Cargo Bay, 210,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 1 Mk I Antimatter Engine, 10,000 Mk II Displacement Device 100,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 349,999 Mk IX Force Shield, 2,000 Type D Disintegrator Energy Disruptor: 3,520,000,076, Matter Disruptor: 3,520,000,076 Displacement: 9.80 %, Missile Defense: 81.30 % PFX BC I (Planetary Fortress - 35,000,000 tons) [integrity: 90,179,100,000 / 90,179,100,000] [shields: 15,000,000,000 / 15,000,000,000] (Green, Timid) 60 Mk II Holographic Cybernetic Battle Director, 20,000 Mk IV Matter Disruptor, 30,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS 60,000 Mk IX Force Shield, 10,000,000 Tckon 68 Matter Disruptor: 1,408,000,031 Missile Defense: 77.50 % **DESTROYED** [24154th] PBX GGT Are Backstabbers (Planetary Bastion - 13,139,900 tons) [integrity: 0 / 72,046,259,100] (Seasoned, Valiant) 165 Heavy Plasma Hellbore, 59 Mk I Plasma Pulse CIDS, 8,000,000 Tckon 68, 9 Type B ECM Package 40 Type B Plasma Torpedo Plasma: 87,120,003, Plasma Torpedo: 21,120,001 ECM: 0.70 %, Missile Defense: 0.30 % **DESTROYED** [24156th] PBX GGT Bush Lover (Planetary Bastion - 12,989,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 71,946,000,000] (Seasoned 7,989,000 Tckon 68, 100 Type C Plasma Torpedo Plasma Torpedo: 211,200,008 **DESTROYED** [24153rd] PSX GGT Kiss My Tckon (Planetary Stronghold - 9,145,300 tons) [integrity: 0 / 65,267,057,700] (Seasoned) 18 Burst Mine Rack, 75 Heavy Plasma Hellbore, 11 Medium Stun Beam, 163 Phased Energy Grip Standard Hull Plate, 7,250,000 Tckon 68 Mines: 9,504, Plasma: 39,600,002, Sonic: 4,840 Phase Inversion: 1.80 % **DESTROYED** [24157th] PBX GGT Kiss This (Planetary Bastion - 15,000,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 72,063,000,000] (Seasoned) 10,000 Mk I Plasma Pulse CIDS, 8,000,000 Tckon 68, 120 Type C Plasma Torpedo Plasma Torpedo: 253,440,010 Missile Defense: 25.10 % BC GGT Little Deterrent (Battle Cruiser - 1,225,000 tons) [integrity: 700,425,100 / 700,425,100] (Green, Reliable) 250 Holographic Battle Display, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 1,000 Mk III Plasma Pulse CIDS, 699,900 Tckon 68 4 Type D Plasma Torpedo Plasma Torpedo: 33,792,001 Missile Defense: 62.10 % **HEAVY DAMAGE** PFX GGT Love (Planetary Fortress - 41,000,000 tons) [integrity: 46,226,067,380 / 180,189,000,000] (Green, Timid) 10,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 20,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 100 Siege Plasma Hellbore 20,000,000 Tckon 68, 100 Type D Plasma Torpedo Plasma: 337,920,013, Plasma Torpedo: 844,800,034 Missile Defense: 66.20 % **DESTROYED** [24155th] PBX GGT Slimey Betrayer (Planetary Bastion - 13,000,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 72,045,000,000] (Seasoned) 8,000,000 Tckon 68, 50 Type D Plasma Torpedo Plasma Torpedo: 422,400,017 **DESTROYED** [24098th] BDN Hauler Mk II (Battle Dreadnaught - 12,500,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 8,004,300,000] (Green, Timid) 1,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 5,000 Medium Tractor Beam, 5,000 Mk I Antimatter Engine 9,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 8,000,000 Tckon 68, 20 Type D Plasma Torpedo Gravitonic: 3,300,000, Plasma Torpedo: 168,960,007 Maneuverability: 3.20, Missile Defense: 76.70 % SDDZ Little Test (Assault Star Destroyer - 120,100 tons) [integrity: 100,010,100 / 100,010,100] (Green, Reliable) 10,000 Cargo Bay, 1 Fighter Bay, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 100,000 Tckon 68 Maneuverability: 0.00, Missile Defense: 0.70 % **HEAVY DAMAGE** PFX Northern Exposure (Planetary Fortress - 32,324,900 tons) [integrity: 59,522,494,107 / 180,110,924,100] (Green, Timid) 3 Heavy Beam Laser, 8 Heavy Thermal Lance, 400 Holographic Battle Display, 3,900 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid 3,000 Mk III Plasma Pulse CIDS, 15,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 2,400 Reflective Armor Coating 126 Siege Plasma Hellbore, 20,000,000 Tckon 68 Coherent Beam: 19,800, Plasma: 425,821,457 Missile Defense: 67.20 % **DESTROYED** [30089th] PFX The G (Planetary Fortress - 27,931,600 tons) [integrity: 0 / 180,071,384,400] (Green, Timid) 4,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 18,829 Mk III Matter Disruptor, 20,000,000 Tckon 68 Matter Disruptor: 530,224,651 **DESTROYED** [30084th] PBX The GGT Resistance (Planetary Bastion - 13,025,544 tons) [integrity: 0 / 72,046,535,688] (Seasoned, Valiant) 15 Frost Cannon, 2,544 Standard Hull Plate, 8,000,000 Tckon 68, 20,000 Titanium Composite Armor 100 Type C Plasma Torpedo Cold: 6,600, Plasma Torpedo: 211,200,008 **MEDIUM DAMAGE** PFX The GGT XO (Planetary Fortress - 40,400,000 tons) [integrity: 111,361,746,620 / 270,093,600,000] (Green, Timid) 4,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 20,000 Mk IV Matter Disruptor, 30,000,000 Tckon 68 Matter Disruptor: 1,408,000,031 **HEAVY DAMAGE** PFX The Male Dog (Planetary Fortress - 35,500,000 tons) [integrity: 71,890,631,744 / 225,094,500,000] (Green, Timid) 5,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 20,000 Mk IV Matter Disruptor, 25,000,000 Tckon 68 Matter Disruptor: 1,408,000,031 **HEAVY DAMAGE** PFX The Male Dog (Planetary Fortress - 35,500,000 tons) [integrity: 62,044,618,931 / 225,094,500,000] (Green, Timid) 5,000 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 20,000 Mk IV Matter Disruptor, 25,000,000 Tckon 68 Matter Disruptor: 1,408,000,031 **DESTROYED** [30086th] PBX The Pain (Planetary Bastion - 24,000,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 108,108,000,000] (Green, Reliable) 10,000 Holographic Battle Display, 10,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 12,000,000 Tckon 68, 100 Type D Plasma Torpedo Plasma Torpedo: 844,800,034 Missile Defense: 62.60 % **HEAVY DAMAGE** PFX Tiny (Planetary Fortress - 34,329,900 tons) [integrity: 49,458,734,463 / 180,128,969,100] (Green, Timid) 18,000 Holographic Battle Display, 24 Medium ESAP Beam, 155 Mk II Deflector, 10,000 Mk III Plasma Pulse CIDS 20,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 20,000,000 Tckon 68, 95 Type D Plasma Torpedo EnergyAbsorber: 63,360, Plasma Torpedo: 802,560,032 Deflectors: 0.50 %, Missile Defense: 74.50 % **DESTROYED** [30090th] PFX Uno (Planetary Fortress - 39,360,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 162,192,240,000] (Green, Timid) 2,500 Holographic Neural-Feed Battle Grid, 1,100 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 150 Siege Plasma Hellbore 18,000,000 Tckon 68, 90 Type D Plasma Torpedo Plasma: 506,880,020, Plasma Torpedo: 760,320,030 Missile Defense: 10.10 % -------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 7 ------------------------------------------------------------ LF Cargo Barge 50 (Light Freighter - 51,800 tons) [integrity: 1,800 / 1,800] (Green, Reliable) 50,000 Cargo Bay, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 5 Mk I Short Range Sensor, 2 Survey Lander Maneuverability: 0.01, Missile Defense: 1.40 %, Sensors: 2.40 % FS Explorer I (Fleet Scout - 2,700 tons) [integrity: 700 / 700] (Green, Reliable) 2,000 Cargo Bay, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 1 Survey Lander Maneuverability: 0.11, Missile Defense: 21.40 % LF Explorer II (Light Freighter - 27,900 tons) [integrity: 2,900 / 2,900] (Green, Reliable) 25,000 Cargo Bay, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 10 Mk I Short Range Sensor, 3 Survey Lander Maneuverability: 0.01, Missile Defense: 2.60 %, Sensors: 8.30 % LF Explorer III (Light Freighter - 27,300 tons) [integrity: 2,300 / 2,300] (Green, Reliable) 25,000 Cargo Bay, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 10 Mk I Short Range Sensor, 2 Survey Lander Maneuverability: 0.01, Missile Defense: 2.70 %, Sensors: 8.40 % -------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 10 ------------------------------------------------------------ SFX Base Station Beta (Surface Fortress - 1,126,000 tons) [integrity: 743,004,000 / 743,004,000] (Seasoned, Valiant) 126,000 Cordellium Composite, 50 Fighter Bay, 500,000 Vananite Battle Armor **DESTROYED** [24099th] PSX Base Station Delta (Planetary Stronghold - 4,000,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 10,809,000,000] (Seasoned, Fearless) 100 Fighter Bay, 3,000,000 Trizenium Flex Plate **DESTROYED** [4367th] PSX Base Station Epsilon (Planetary Stronghold - 2,760,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 7,206,840,000] (Seasoned, Valiant) 1,000 4cm Gatling CIDS, 75 Fighter Bay, 2,000,000 Trizenium Flex Plate Missile Defense: 1.**DESTROYED** [4366th] PSX Base Station Gamma (Planetary Stronghold - 3,020,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 3,861,000,000] (Seasoned, Valiant) 100 Fighter Bay, 500,000 Trizenium Flex Plate, 1,520,000 Vananite Battle Armor -------------------------------------------------- DepLoc 12 ------------------------------------------------------------ PBX AI (Planetary Bastion - 16,000,000 tons) [integrity: 90,023,400,000 / 90,023,400,000] [shields: 2,500,000,000 / 2,500,000,000] (Green, Timid) 40 Mk II Holographic Cybernetic Battle Director, 10,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 10,000 Mk IX Force Shield 10,000,000 Tckon 68 Missile Defense: 71.50 % PBX Delta Force I (Planetary Bastion - 18,600,000 tons) [integrity: 99,037,800,000 / 99,037,800,000] [shields: 7,500,000,0 / 7,500,000,000] (Green, Timid) 20 Mk III Holographic Cybernetic Battle Director, 6,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 30,000 Mk IX Force Shield 11,000,000 Tckon 68 Missile Defense: 56.40 % **DESTROYED** [24151st] PSX GGT Elimination Command (Planetary Stronghold - 5,925,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 39,388,950,000] (Seasoned, Determined) 12,500 Holographic Battle Display, 3,000 Mk II Plasma Pulse CIDS, 4,375,000 Tckon 68 Missile Defense: 33.70 % **DESTROYED** [24150th] PSX GGT Ground Control (Planetary Stronghold - 2,700,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 18,001,710,000] (Green, Timid) 6 Mk II Holographic Cybernetic Battle Director, 1,000 Mk IV Plasma Pulse CIDS, 2,000,000 Tckon 68 Missile Defense: 59.80 % **DESTROYED** [4360th] BMZ GGT Hauler (Assault Monitor - 2,000,100 tons) [integrity: 0 / 1,001,000,080] (Green, Reliable 10,000 Light Tractor Beam, 1 Mk III Fusion Engine, 1,000,000 Tckon 68 Gravitonic: 1,650,000 Maneuverability: 0.00, Missile Defense: 0.10 % **DESTROYED** [4365th] BBZ GGT Hauler I (Assault Battleship - 3,211,000 tons) [integrity: 0 / 2,001,211,000] (Green, Resolute) 3,000 Holographic Battle Display, 4,109 Light Tractor Beam, 1 Mk I Nuclear Engine, 5,000 Mk II Plasma Pulse CIDS 2,000,000 Tckon 68 Gravitonic: 677,985 Missile Defense: 60.90 % ----- Post-Battle Damage Assessment Report----- Side 1 [1] 1 {Flagship} IAFS Right Of Passag class NDNF..................................................1 Destroyed [1] 1 IAS Appetite For Des class BB..................................................1 Destroyed [1] 1 IAS My Brother Is A class DN..................................................1 Destroyed [1] 30,000 IAS Waste Not class COZ..................................................30000 Destroyed Side 2 [1] 1 Alpha Dog class PFX..................................................1 Medium [1] 1 Base Station Alpha class SFX..................................................1 Crippled [1] 1 Beta D class PFX..................................................1 Destroyed [1] 250 Bunker A class SOX..................................................1 Light, 68 Destroyed [1] 4,985 GGT Decoy class SOX..................................................1751 Crippled [1] 6,238 GGT Defender class DSAT..................................................2247 Crippled [1] 1,663 GGT Defender I class SOX..................................................878 Crippled [1] 14,776 GGT Defender II class SOX..................................................2681 Crippled [1] 1 GGT Pimple class PBX..................................................1 Destroyed [1] 7,409 GGT Pop the Fighters class SOX..................................................692 Crippled [1] 820 GGT Probe class COZ [1] 75,907 GGT Speed Bump class DSAT [1] 1 Green Slime class PFX..................................................1 Light [1] 126 Hit Me class COZ [1] 1 I Love You class PFX..................................................1 Destroyed [1] 1 Kick Back class PFX..................................................1 Medium [1] 900 Oooh class SOX [1] 1 Slimer class PFX..................................................1 Medium [1] 1 The Male Dog II class PBX..................................................1 Crippled [1] 1 Tow Me Please class FBS..................................................1 Destroyed [2] 1 Aries Mk I class NDN [2] 1 BC I class PFX [2] 1 GGT Are Backstabbers class PBX..................................................1 Destroyed [2] 1 GGT Bush Lover class PBX..................................................1 Destroyed [2] 1 GGT Kiss My Tckon class PSX..................................................1 Destroyed [2] 1 GGT Kiss This class PBX..................................................1 Destroyed [2] 3 GGT Little Deterrent class BC [2] 1 GGT Love class PFX..................................................1 Heavy [2] 1 GGT Slimey Betrayer class PBX..................................................1 Destroyed [2] 1 Hauler Mk II class BDN..................................................1 Destroyed [2] 1 Little Test class SDDZ [2] 1 Northern Exposure class PFX..................................................1 Heavy [2] 1 The G class PFX..................................................1 Destroyed [2] 1 The GGT Resistance class PBX..................................................1 Destroyed [2] 1 The GGT XO class PFX..................................................1 Medium [2] 2 The Male Dog class PFX..................................................2 Heavy [2] 1 The Pain class PBX..................................................1 Destroyed [2] 1 Tiny class PFX..................................................1 Heavy [2] 1 Uno class PFX..................................................1 Destroyed [7] 1 Cargo Barge 50 class LF [7] 4 Explorer I class FS [7] 1 Explorer II class LF [7] 5 Explorer III class LF [10] 1 Base Station Beta class SFX [10] 1 Base Station Delta class PSX..................................................1 Destroyed [10] 1 Base Station Epsilon class PSX..................................................1 Destroyed [10] 1 Base Station Gamma class PSX..................................................1 Destroyed [12] 1 AI class PBX [12] 1 Delta Force I class PBX [12] 1 GGT Elimination Comm class PSX..................................................1 Destroyed [12] 1 GGT Ground Control class PSX..................................................1 Destroyed [12] 1 GGT Hauler class BMZ..................................................1 Destroyed [12] 1 GGT Hauler I class BBZ..................................................1 Destroyed ================================================================================ ====================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WKE235 Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Gentlebeings, Here is the result of the Flag Bridge battle. I destroyed almost ratio of 3 to 1 of tonnage and damaged a lot of his heavies. It would seem Flag Bridges work exactly as promished which means I can now bring all of the Allied Fleets down on his HW in time for Xmas! Guess what Santa brings for Xmas!?....Yes thats right boys and girls, a vast alien armada over your home world!!! YAY!! Not had that much time to analyze the combat. If you have any comments feel free to post them, but as apparent, Flag Bridges seem to be the Screen Killers they promised to be especially if only one side has the Flag Bridge /Locklyn I would say very, very impressive. I mean look at the screening force [1] 250 Bunker A class SOX..................................................1 Light, 68 Destroyed [1] 4,985 GGT Decoy class SOX..................................................1751 Crippled [1] 6,238 GGT Defender class DSAT..................................................2247 Crippled [1] 1,663 GGT Defender I class SOX..................................................878 Crippled [1] 14,776 GGT Defender II class SOX..................................................2681 Crippled [1] 7,409 GGT Pop the Fighters class SOX..................................................692 Crippled [1] 820 GGT Probe class COZ [1] 75,907 GGT Speed Bump class DSAT The 75,000+ Speed bump screens were NOT fired at once. Zip. Zilch. There effectiveness in battle was totally negated. The Speed Bump and Probe class ships have no weapons .. so they were ignored! Wonderful! Any ships without weapons get ignored using a Mk I Flag Bridge, meaning all such items are now useless in any battle. This is backed up as all the other non-weapon ships in orbit like freighters were also ignored. Talk about proper threat assessment. As to the remaining screenies, yes you did fire on them. But they had weapons (allright, CID defenses only .. but they were shooting something so I'll call it a "weapon"). But despite their positions and numbers (around 35,000), the fleet still hit the other installations far more often than would have happened in the past. Out of the 161 Capital installions you destoyed 20, and Crippled/Heavy/Medium damaged another 10 or so. In the meantime they had no such bridge and kept firing on your screens, allowing you to keep blasting installation after installation. Devestating is the best way to describe this tech advance over any empire that lacks it. YOU can still build screens and protect your capital ships. Their protection is much more limited as the screens still absorb some damage (as long as they have "weapons" to draw some fire), but not as much as before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconutheads Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Nice prove-out Locklyn... I don't suppose you'd post the ANZ for this object? It would be interesting even if you cut out the pre-req information. I sure would like to turn our NDN's into FDN's for the time when we go after WSI or GAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfouasnon Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 What happens if every ship you put up into the air has weapons , however minor? My ship designs have always had at least one weapon that fires back.....then we could be right back at building screens , but every screen has a light laser or some such inconsequential weapon...back to more testing , looks like to me.......next question would be that maybe the flag bridge can see the mass of the opponent , and then see if the ship is really a threat.......the questions left unanswered........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cestvel Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Well, something would still have to improve with Mk II Flag Bridge and upwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breoghan Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 As I have had no less than two EXPL hits on Mk V Flag Bridge technology info, I think it safe to say that there has to be some standard levels of improvement to be made with each advance. ......now if only I could get the Mk I........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfouasnon Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Somehow I get the feeling that Pete is going to have to make improvements or clarifications for this piece of technology to clean up the database......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WKE235 Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 What happens if every ship you put up into the air has weapons , however minor? My ship designs have always had at least one weapon that fires back.....then we could be right back at building screens , but every screen has a light laser or some such inconsequential weapon...back to more testing , looks like to me.......next question would be that maybe the flag bridge can see the mass of the opponent , and then see if the ship is really a threat.......the questions left unanswered........ It appears from this that even screens with weapons / CIDS are less effective than before. Oh, still useful as you can see from the results. But I estimate around 15-20% of Locklyn's fire bypassed the screens and hit the ground forts. While without the bridge maybe around 1-2% of the shots would have gotten to the ground (just counting the 35,000 or so with CIDS). So your right, people will just build ships with weapons on them (there are several nice weapons below 1000 tons in size in the Excellent+ firepower range, just perfect for mounting on a screen). Why? Well, even if the screens are less effective, they still cut the firepower reaching to big guns by (in this case) 80%. And that is the purpose of the screen. Draw fire away from the big guns. And nothing here shoudl dissuade anyone from building more screens. As a matter of fact, there are several nice weapons below 1000 tons in size in the Excellent+ firepower range, just perfect for mounting on a screen. Heck, put a couple weapons, some high end computers to add Fire Control, some CIDS, and Armor into a nice little package, and you could create a screenie that could dish out some serious offense themselves. Maybe even building nothing but screens would work now! Just imagine, instead of some 1,000,000,000 ton fort on the surface, you instead have 500,000 screens of 2000 tons each, dishing out around 6 billion in damage per round with fire control in the low hundreds. Flag bridge couldn't touch that, could it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconutheads Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 I think that just like everything in Supernova, Flag Bridge has it's place but isn't a magic bullet that will solve all combat issues. Used against unarmed screens, it appears to be quite effective. Against minimally armed screens or screens armed with maximum level tech, perhaps it will behave differently. This is a initial trial and it seemed to have done what it was supposed to do, but there's probably clever ways to circumvent it too. My preference has been and will be large well armed and well shielded ships as a counter to most threats, with auxiliary ships as required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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